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5/20    "Lifeguards' high pay riles Calif. beach city"
        http://www.csua.org/u/tds (news.yahoo.com)
        $200K/yr for sitting above the beach and staring at chicks most of the
        time?  They aren't risking their lives as much as cops and firefighters
        do, and the don't serve a deterring purpose like cops do.
        \_ First, it's $100k in pay _and_ benefits, some of which may include
           a hefty life insurance policy and a superb health insurance policy.
           Next, it's $200k in two instances. Finally, I'm with you, sounds
           a bit high; what's the base salary, and why are they getting OT?
           I think this piece lacks substance sufficient for outrage.
        \_ it's a sinecure for the beautiful people.  We are paying them to
           be a role model for kids
        \_ The actual life guards are mostly paid by the hour, these are
           sort of the life guard managers. But it still seems like a lot
           of money to me.
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search menu Search Type Choose a search type from the items below All News Yahoo! News Only News Photos Video/Audio * * (Submit) News Search Lifeguards' high pay riles Calif. In this May 15, 2011 photo, a trainee plays the role of a swimmer in distress as other trainees come to his rescue during a training session for new s AP - In this May 15, 2011 photo, a trainee plays the role of a swimmer in distress as other trainees come ... By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Gillian Flaccus, Associated Press - 22 mins ago NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. Yet Toussaint, was shocked to learn that most of the fulltime lifeguards in this city earn well over $100,000 in total compensation a year -- including salary, overtime and benefits -- more than Toussaint made in her previous life as a nurse and more than she believes is right in an economy where pink slips have become common fare. "When I first heard that I was amazed at how much they make. That's more than some doctors make," said Toussaint, 55, who retired early to care for her seizure-prone son. Base salaries for Newport Beach lifeguards range from $58,000 for the lowest-paid officer to $108,492 for the top-paid battalion chief, according to a 2010 city report on lifeguard pay. With overtime only added in, more than half of the 13 cleared $100,000 and the rest made between $59,500 and $98,500. Adding in pension contributions, medical benefits, life insurance and other pay, two battalion chiefs earned more than $200,000 in 2010, while the lowest-paid officer made more than $98,000. All lifeguards received $400 sunglass allowances and two cleared $28,000 apiece in overtime and night duty pay. The ensuing debate over the merits of having lifeguards as well-paid as some CEOs has divided this wealthy coastal city, spawned a pro-lifeguard Facebook page and created headlines as far away as England ("Time for a Career Change? The swell of anger from beachgoers and budget-watchers alike has blindsided the lifeguards, who have for years enjoyed the prestige of their jobs in an ocean-centric town that banks on summer tourism. Now, as the pressure mounts, they are balking at their portrayal as suntanned slackers lounging in beach towers as the surf rolls in. Those whose salaries are in question point out that they hold management roles, have decades of service and are considered public safety employees under the fire department, the same as fire captains and battalion chiefs. The fulltime guards train more than 200 seasonal lifeguards who make between $16 and $22 an hour, run a junior lifeguard program that brings in $1 million a year and oversee safety on nearly seven miles of sand. And when the surf is really pumping -- like it was late this week with 20-foot wave faces at the infamous Wedge -- the supervisory lifeguards are just as busy as the seasonal staff with dangerous rescues, said Brent Jacobsen, president of the Lifeguard Management Association, the lifeguards' union. Many began as seasonal guards and worked their way into management roles and must stay certified as instructors in an array of advanced emergency, scuba and rescue techniques, Jacobsen said. "Unfortunately, there's a lot of disinformation out there. People get this idea that we're talking about 17-year-old kids in lifeguard towers making $200,000 and that's not correct," he said. Lifeguarding here is different than any other place in the entire world." Newport Beach's lifeguards can retire at 50 with 90 percent of their salary with 30 years of service, according to state data. "Because of the compensation, lifeguarding has evolved from a brief and youthful interlude into a career and that's probably what's most shocking," said Councilwoman Leslie Daigle, who added that in the winter the fulltime lifeguards stayed busy answering phones and painting guard towers. "I think people are looking for elected officials to be more fiscally conservative. In budget talks, City Manager David Kiff proposed converting four of the fulltime positions to part-time status, an idea city council is expected to review. The lifeguards' union is trying to avoid the reductions by striking a deal that could see them increase their pension contribution from 35 percent to 9 percent annually, while instituting a new pension tier for future hires, said Jacobsen. Three fulltime guarding positions that are now vacant because of retirements could also be eliminated, with staffing shifts among the remaining group to cover all duties, he said. He acknowledged that the current pension benefit now seems excessive given the recession. When we were negotiating, people were making such ridiculous amounts of money on the real estate market and we don't get those big jumps in salary that the private sector does," he said. Kiff believes the salaries the city's lifeguard supervisors earn are appropriate given the competitive job market for top-tier lifeguards in Southern California, but would like to see the pension scaled back. In Los Angeles County, where guards patrol beaches from Santa Monica to Torrance, lifeguard salaries are fairly comparable, according to a public salary database on the state controller's website, but the retirement benefit is less. Staff who retire at age 50 with 30 years of service receive only 60 percent of their salary. In San Diego, lifeguards make roughly the same salary range but must retire later, at age 55, and get 75 percent of their salary with 30 years of service. "We compete for those jobs and we are in line with what they pay those folks," Kiff said. Newport Beach attracted more than 7 million beachgoers last year and lifeguard supervisors oversaw 2,190 water rescues and more than 5,000 medical aid calls, while tower guards intervened more than 76,000 times to warn people of rip currents or high surf. Still, for some, statistics will never justify such compensation. Leonard Musgrave, a former oil company employee, was so outraged that he wrote a letter to the local paper, The Orange County Register, earlier this month inquiring why the city didn't simply put up a sign reading, "Swim at your own risk." The 69-year-old retiree said he isn't swayed by the lifeguards' responsibilities or years of service. "I supervised 13, 14 engineers when I was working and I was making $111,000 when I retired three years ago with an MBA and a technical engineering degree," said Musgrave, who doesn't have a pension. All you have to do is look at good-looking women at the beach. Report Abuse When I told my son he should become a lifeguard, to earn extra money, he laughed at me. I'm printing out this article to show him, that gee, maybe there are times when your parent is right! Report Abuse We have a messed up country - teachers, soldiers, nurses, police - do they make those salaries? When fat, spoiled, entitled populous, wastes money and resources - eventually fails. Report Abuse "Lifeguarding here is different than any other place in the entire world". That's because nowhere else are lifeguards paid more than doctors are in some hospital emergency rooms .... ANY job should be paid according to the number of qualified people willing to take that job. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.
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