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2/10    About the Lexus that crashed because of (supposedly) a stuck
        accelerator padel, why didn't the driver simply put the transmission
        in Neutral?  If the cop passenger had time to press at least one
        button to dial 911, wait for the call to be picked up, and had a
        10-second-plus conversation with the operator (which was played back
        in media reports), wasn't there much more than enough time to tell the
        driver to shift to Neural, or simply do it himself even if he's at the
        back seat?
        \_ Yes, explain the concept of neutral to George Weller.
        \_ Parking brake not in reach?
           \_ You don't use the parking brake to put the transmission to
              Neutral.
              Neutral.  -- OP
              \_ I'd use the parking brake if i was trying to stop my car
                 BAMN.
              \_ are you "my house isn't on fire cos i live in an apt" guy?
                 \_ If the foot brake, which uses brakes on all four wheels,
                    wasn't strong enough to stop the car, how would the
                    parking brake, which uses brakes on two wheels, be strong
                    enough to stop it?  OTOH putting the transmission in
                    Neutral would have disengaged the engine from the driving
                    wheels which would have stopped the car from accelerating.
                    It might have blew up the engine, but that shouldn't be
                    a concern at that moment. -- OP
                    \_ There were two solutions:
                       1. Put the car in neutral.
                       2. Turn off the engine.
                       Both of these would have worked, but apparently no
                       one thought of these.
                       \_ Worthy of Darwin Award?
                          \_ What is the award for getting other people killed?
        \_ Actually, all you have to do is mash on the brake, this will stop
           even a muscle car going 100 mph, according to Car and Driver:
           http://tinyurl.com/yckntxs
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tinyurl.com/yckntxs -> www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept
Vehicle History Report Click Here Advertisement How To Deal With Unintended Acceleration - Tech Dept. We put unintended acceleration to the test and examine how to handle a runaway vehicle. Brake Test Lexus and Toyota models were stung recently by claims that faulty floor mats had jammed throttle pedals and were causing wide-open acceleration. Toyota has agreed to a largest-ever recall of 43 million vehicles (which could cost $250 million or more) to modify the gas pedals and remove unsecured or incompatible driver's floor mats. Not since Audi was decimated by accusations of unintended acceleration in the late 1980s has the topic of runaway cars received so much media attention. Lexus ES350 at high speed, killing himself, his wife and their daughter, and his brother-in-law. It was reported that someone, either the officer or his brother-in-law, called 9-1-1 moments before the crash, saying that the "accelerator is stuck . Our focus here is not to question the validity of the "floor-mat" claims (some investigators have suggested that a faulty drive-by-wire system is to blame) but to present methods for coping with this heart-stopping situation and to investigate a Toyota's relative performance during such an event. Our tests were conducted at highway speeds, as the incident with the Lexus ES350 happened on an expressway, and in the lowest possible gear, as that's the worst-case scenario. Here is how to deal with a runaway car: Hit the Brakes Certainly the most natural reaction to a stuck-throttle emergency is to stomp on the brake pedal, possibly with both feet. And despite dramatic horsepower increases since C/D's 1987 unintended-acceleration test of an Audi 5000, brakes by and large can still overpower and rein in an engine roaring under full throttle. With the Camry's throttle pinned while going 70 mph, the brakes easily overcame all 268 horsepower straining against them and stopped the car in 190 feet--that's a foot shorter than the performance of a Ford Taurus without any gas-pedal problems and just 16 feet longer than with the Camry's throttle closed. From 100 mph, the stopping-distance differential was 88 feet--noticeable to be sure, but the car still slowed enthusiastically enough to impart a feeling of confidence. We also tried one go-for-broke run at 120 mph, and, even then, the car quickly decelerated to about 10 mph before the brakes got excessively hot and the car refused to decelerate any further. So even in the most extreme case, it should be possible to get a car's speed down to a point where a resulting accident should be a low-speed and relatively minor event. Since the advent of electronic throttle control, many automakers have added software to program the throttle to close--and therefore cut power--when the brakes are applied. Cars from BMW, Chrysler, Nissan/Infiniti, Porsche, and Volkswagen/Audi have this feature, and that's precisely why the G37 aced this test. Even with the throttle floored and the vehicle accelerating briskly, stabbing the brakes causes the engine's power to fade almost immediately, and as a result, the Infiniti stops in a hurry. From speeds of 70 or even 100 mph, the difference in braking results between having a pinned throttle or not was fewer than 10 feet, which isn't discernible to the average driver. As a result of the unintended-acceleration investigation, Toyota is adding this feature posthaste. We included the powerful Roush Mustang to test--in the extreme--the theory that "brakes are stronger than the engine." From 70 mph, the Roush's brakes were still resolutely king even though a pinned throttle added 80 feet to its stopping distance. However, from 100 mph, it wasn't clear from behind the wheel that the Mustang was going to stop. But after 903 feet--almost three times longer than normal--the 540-hp supercharged Roush finally did succumb, chugging to a stop in a puff of brake smoke. Shift to Neutral or Park This is your best option in an emergency. Neither the Camry's nor the Infiniti's automatic transmission showed any hesitancy to shift into neutral or park when accelerating at full tilt. In either case, power is effectively kept from the wheels and the car will be able to brake with its usual undiminished vigor, engine racing or not. Turn It Off Switching off the ignition is a sure way to silence an engine, but it's probably the least desirable action because it will also make the car more difficult to maneuver. 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Conclusion In the end, though, we found no major deficiencies with the Camry's ability to defuse an unintended-acceleration situation.