2/1 Is there a world writeable jobs directory (e.g. /csua/pub/jobs)?
A friend of mine is looking for a Senior HW engineer.
\_ Everyone is looking for a Senior * engr. At that point why even
say Senior?
\_ Senior often means you don't want someone straight out of school.
Of course, in SW that's not really true, and many? Cal
grads start out as Sr. SW Engineers. At least in this case, he's
looking for an actual senior person... probably an MS or PhD/PhD
dropout w/ a few years experience or a BS and at least 5.
\_ New college grads at my company all start out as Associate
SE, if they are good within a year or two they move to SE.
It takes a minimum of 3 and usually more like 5 to make
Sr. SE. I bet it is the same at any real tech company.
\_ By the time college grads graduate they've already got
2-3 summers of internship, we hire almost exclusively thru
our internship program. Basically when we see a graduate
we expect them to know everything already, if they don't
it's clearly a waste of time to hire them, I could just do
the job myself.
\_ How many full-time jobs do you think you can do
yourself? Even someone who works at 50% of your
efficiency for 75% of your salary is a net win
because it frees you up to do stuff others can't do.
\_ But then I'd have to train them and I do not have
any time to train them. They must know already.
The ideal candidate is a psychic engineer who has
already implemented my product in a serious open
src project. And if you can't find someone like tihs
fire your recruiters. There are 8 million coder
monkeys out there working on projects. One of them
is bound to have implemented the soln to the same
problem you're trying to solve. If you can't find
that person, the new hire isn't worth anything.
\_ What difference is it if they got trained as interns or
as new hires? They still have to be trained.
\_ That's my point, real engineers, NEVER have to be
"trained" they just KNOW. It's like at cal where the
bright kids never show up to lecture but ace all
the tests. Go Bears! Dogs are Trained. Interns
are trained. Bears and Engineers don't need to be.
\_ All these comments apply solely to SW.
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