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According to Wikipedia, cloud computing is a paradigm of computing in which dynamically scalable and often virtualized resources are provided as a service over the Internet.
Ed Zander for a fireside chat about the future of the company he co-founded, the pending acquisition of Sun and the implications thereof, and the state of the economy in general.
October 1st, 2009 at 2:17 am CDT He does not hate cloud computing. He makes money by selling his software to the people who sell his softwares to the people who sell services termed as cloud computing. He is just laughing at the fact that people are confusing a server with cloud computing. If he hates cloud computing then he would be out of business.
October 1st, 2009 at 3:34 am CDT Great you are doubling your user base every 3 months... After you define that, and then define the "internet" or "server" or "network" you will see what he is talking about in the video...
October 1st, 2009 at 3:55 am CDT Doubling our user base is not cloud computing, but the fact the software runs on our servers and users' files and information are saved on multiple servers with mirror disks and the fact that the user only needs a browser to run our tools and no installation and maintenance are needed, in my mind is cloud computing.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:53 am CDT Yes, people like this client/server model so much, that they've been using it since before the invention of personal computers. "Cloud" computing is in fact the oldest form of computing, making it kind of silly to give it a special name.
October 1st, 2009 at 4:04 am CDT David, the term Cloud is just another stupid buzzword for internet. My company has been offering internet based services for 12+years. Now it's called the Cloud and everybody thinks it's cool.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:01 am CDT Bob- I loved the "European Cloud" part :) I get your point, but the term internet services or SaaS over internet is coined as cloud computing.
October 1st, 2009 at 3:30 am CDT Ellison hates cloud computing because it will imply: - Concentration of computing services with the pricing negotiation power that these providers will get with Oracle. Ellison prefers to deal with a fragmented market in which he has an advantage. More and more big companies are abandoning their own infrastructure and moving to the cloud.
October 1st, 2009 at 4:56 am CDT +1 For big shots like Larry what he thinks and what he "hates" are always two diff things. Of course he understands what ist all about and why its is dangerous for oracle.
October 1st, 2009 at 3:34 am CDT I think he is wrong, too. The cloud services are more about scaling and easy to manage services, instant processing power and seamlessly booting instances. Pay for the real used bandwidth and power rather than a monthly fee.
Some of the earlier comments about it being a buzz word or overly used are off base. I've had colocs, VDS, and finally moved to a cloud service last year because it provided everything you mentioned. Without the things that you mentioned I would not consider a service "cloud computing." I think some of comments reveal that many do not know what to consider cloud computing or are upset that the term is used too broadly.
Yes some of the business model changes here and there but what it really is renting software vs owning it. I've found the whole cloud computing push funny, nothing has really changed, but some people really think this is new.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:47 am CDT For the geeks, Cloud Computing is nothing new. The center of where the power exists has shifted back and forth between the client side and the server side many times. The real key for Cloud Computing is obscuring the actual technology from folks who don't need to know /worry/care about it. Cloud Computing allows someone with negligible hardware knowledge to build and run a system. It would be like asking a farmer if he is worried about the new trend of "restaurants". People still eat, even if they consume in a different way.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:50 am CDT I am not a technology professional, I'm a business guy, so.... My fascination with the idea of Cloud is the thought that, armed essentially with a super browser, I will be able to interact with real-time technologies, data, and applications, on a scale that I could never possibly hope to achieve on my current internet desktop. If it is, then this is truly a change in technology architecture.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:00 am CDT Actually cloud computing is more likely outsourcing your IT department in a massive way rather than utilizing services from a rich client. With cloud computing you still provide the code that performs the services, but you are free from having to maintain a data center.
October 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm CDT Actually what you're describing is Colocation, renting space at a centrally managed data center that many others rent from. I guess one could argue that it's slightly different since you rent a "server" to put your code on rather than provide a "server" with your code on it. But the fact remains that "Cloud Computing" is not a technological shift or innovation, it's simply a business structure shift for Datacenter companies. Your code is still sitting on a server providing the same services it did before. The datacenter just charges you for renting equipment now in addition to renting the space and connection like it did before.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:57 am CDT Cloud computing refers to technical services (such as databases, file storage, web services) that are accessible only via web APIs. He's right that companies are misusing the term, and it seems to have everyone confused. A lot of Web-based software companies use cloud services and thus call themselves cloud-based, which is not really true. They're consumers of cloud services, not providers of it.
October 1st, 2009 at 6:59 am CDT Well sure, he's right, technically - afterall, what's all this "JavaScript" nonsense I keep hearing? Afterall, it's all just ASM, which is really all just electrons jumping around on semiconductors, which are really just sand, anyway. It means that I, as a developer, no longer have to worry about the lower-layer infrastructure of my application and can instead focus on the core value-adding business layer.
Whether you hate new industry terms or not, they do make conversations about the technology easier and faster to refer to. Sometimes of course they are created just to push a weak product that really doesn't do anything new and that annoys people. But "cloud computing" isn't one of those and is a valid new term (IMHO).
October 1st, 2009 at 7:36 am CDT He's partially correct. The term Cloud as a buzzword is overused, as in the instance where it has replaced SaaS, which before that used to be called ASP (Application Service Provider). But there is a new class of services that allows tech organizations to provision virtual servers, diskspace and bandwidth dynamically to develop and run their *own* applications without heavy up-front capital investment. I'm talking about Amazon Web Services, Google AppEngine, Rackspace Mosso, etc. These are the real Cloud technologies, and they haven't been around that long. And Larry should be afraid, because Cloud technology makes possible new applications and business models, and makes use of different core technologies (eg, Amazon SimpleDB). Sure, we will always have databases, but they will not always be Oracle.
October 1st, 2009 at 7:42 am CDT Isn't it simply a new business model for hosting software. We started with buying servers for our companies (think of startup costs in 1999). We're still using vendors, but no longer dedicated servers but on a "cloud" of shared servers. Not surprising its doing well since cheaper and scalable. Re innovation, I imagine there's some innovation involved in addressing reliability, scalability, security and other issues when you mix heterogeneous applications from heterogenous clients with heteroeneous business on shared servers. Larry's company may have used a "cloud" for its software in the past, but I think there are different challenges with hosting a mix of software on shared servers, no?
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