Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 53302
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2009/8/26-9/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:53302 Activity:nil
8/26    Health Care Debate Based on Total Lack of Logic - Yahoo! News:
        http://www.csua.org/u/ox4
        \_ Well, NO DUH! Americans are one of the most self-righteous
           people in this world. All that individualism, "I am more
           special" thinking, I do this because I deserve it attitude.
           Obama sucks because I am right and you're not! Dumb asses.
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Participant holds signs at a town hall meeting on health care reform at the South Lakes High School gymnasium in Reston, Virginia Reuters - A participant holds signs at a town hall meeting on health care reform at the South Lakes High School ... com - Wed Aug 26, 8:35 am ET Heated partisan debate over President Obama's health care plan, erupting at town hall meetings and in the blogosphere, has more to do with our illogical thought processes than reality, sociologists are finding. The problem: People on both sides of the political aisle often work backward from a firm conclusion to find supporting facts, rather than letting evidence inform their views. survey out this week finds voters split strongly along party lines regarding their beliefs about key parts of the plan. Example: About 91 percent of Republicans think the proposal would increase wait times for surgeries and other health services, while only 37 percent of Democrats think so. 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