www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/23/sure-the-us-has-a-lot-of-click-fraud-but-at-least-were-not-vietnam -> www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/23/sure-the-us-has-a-lot-of-click-fraud-but-at-least-were-not-vietnam/
Anchor Intelligence says it has more data than anyone this side of Google and Yahoo. And so when they release a report for the first time outlining what they're seeing in click fraud rates, it's worth paying attention to. Clicks are broken down as "valid" or "invalid", with "invalid" ones further broken down into "innocuous invalid" and "attempted click fraud". But the real interesting data comes when you break down the click fraud rates by country, as the report does. While the US is pretty bad with an attempted click fraud rate of just over 25%, that pales in comparison to Vietnam, which has an attempted click fraud rate approaching 50%. And while the US accounts for the majority of the clicks that Anchor Intelligence sees, it's not like Vietnam is entirely insignificant on the list. Of the top 30 countries Anchor measures, Vietnam has the 6th most amount of click volume across the network.
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:38 am PDT And this is why ecommerce sites won't take orders from Vietnam. The amount of payment fraud coming out of that one little country is amazing.
July 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 am PDT Man (& MG Siegler), the really big jerks in regard to fraud work at Wallstreet and in London, not Nigeria, not Vietnam! So, if you really want to do something for your country, make sure investment and private bankers can't loot your country any longer. That's a legal fraud in the trillions of US$ range, not an illegal one in the millions to billions range. Once you fixed this, you can care about click fraud and Nigeria scams.
July 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 am PDT Some bankers on Wall Street don't affect me. I don't day trade, I don't even hold most of my savings in cash (let alone US dollars). Dealing with chargebacks every single week from overseas fraudsters making purchases with stolen credit cards, threatening my ability to accept credit cards from legitimate customers, does.
If you pay taxes you should be very concerned about "some bankers" at Wall St. Supposed you neither live in the States nor in any other country that's affected by the US sub prime mess (are there any? Perhaps Nigeria or Vietnam, I guess), you're a lucky guy.
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm PDT Here's a piece on credit card fraud out of Vietnam. The number of fraudulent orders arising out of Vietman is 10 times more than all other countries combined, including Nigeria. We get several orders every day and have decided to block all vietnamese ip addreses. They would actually make an order using the genuine shipping address of the cardholder. I think this is done either to soften us up, or our of revenge for declined orders." I hate to say it, but it seems the Viemanese people are very creative in injecting fraud into anything and everything they do. They are in the fingernails business here in the States, and guess what, that industry is nothing but fraud. The Viemanese are also heavily concentrated in the mortgage lending industry and here too, they seem to find ways to profit not from hard work but from fraud.
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 am PDT The amount of click fraud indicates organized criminal efforts that are not significantly impeded by law enforcement. The bigger issue is how law enforcement agencies can be supported and encouraged to reduce IT-enabled criminality. The good guys have their hands tied--by themselves in many cases. Both the National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG) and the National Governors Association (NGA) have been largely missing in action regarding IT-enabled criminality. Laws dating from the era of the Pony Express have proven unsuitable for modern ecommerce environments. The same situation exists in regard to stemming international telemarketing scams targeting Americans--especially seniors.
July 23rd, 2009 at 6:33 am PDT well, how do you want to fix this? By shutting down the Internet in order to prevent any kind of Nigeria scam or fraud to happen? You can't get these guys unless you sacrifice some of today's freedoms. Perhaps, the introduction of IPv6 would be a step forward. OTOH, many people dislike IPv6 due to its impact on privacy.
csv | wc -l 13737 Expect to see greater refinement of bot networks selling passive or off hours batch processing of click fraud like services much in the same way cloud computing centers offer their services today.
Because Vietnam ISPs share public IPs among their subscribers, many ADSL subscribers use the same public IP. If your website cannot detect it, then it's your problem.
gs/2zdD7y Vietnam was high then (but not as high as now), and Mexico seems to have gone way up since. OTOH, that was a report by another company - Click Forensics (this one's by Anchor Intelligence). It's not surprising that they're different - you'd get the same kind of discrepancies if you compare traffic reports from ComScore and NetRatings.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 am PDT The authors of this "study" should have included a disclaimer: "truth be told, we simply don't know". There is no way they have data which click is fraudulent and which is not. When Google comes forward with their internal data on valid and invalid clicks, there is something to actually report.
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am PDT Isn't the high click fraud number from the US due in part to the fact that many offshoring companies come from US IPs despite being in India, or other countries?
July 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 am PDT What if they know in Vietnam some people call it "an industry" with thousands of "workers". Sometime we are only workers, while the high boss, who profits the most from it, is American.
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 am PDT I dont know why talking about Vetnam because to my sources India is still one of the poorest country in the world the illiteracy rate is one BILLION people not know how to read and they say India also have the highest poverty rate about 40% of the Indian population make not more than one dolla per day and so if you thing about it and thing hard you will see India not worth it to invest into theyr'e infrastujure it not woth it because that's guy he tell me nothing in the population to advertise to becaseu they dont have no money to buy what they see even though they only see what you avertise so they say thing about it it not what you know it who you know it not who you know it who know you.
First of all, I'm from Vietnam and I think think this report is NOT accurately measure the actual FAIR number. AS YOU KNOW, ADVERTISING COMPANY TRACK CLICK AD BY IP, It won't work when TRACKING CLICK AD IN VIETNAM. I clicked on some ads and Anchor Intelligence, track ads was click on me ip A Later, another user B, go to the same NetCafe's computer, he visited Yahoo and click on some ads and it is happened to clicked on the ads I clicked. As you see, THE TRACKING VALID CLICK BY IP WON'T WORK SINCE THERE ARE TOO MANY USERS IN VIETNAM USING THE SAME COMPUTER. If advertising companies want to accurately do the report, they need to figure out the different way. Otherwise, article like this and all the retweet will damage the image of Vietnam.
July 23rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm PDT But I think Duck's logic is that he is more likely to find a woman who respects him if he looks in Vietnam. In that sense, it does matter, and he should care, where she is from. On a serious note, I have several Vietnamese friends and a common topic of conversation amongst them is going back to the motherland to find wives. There is a legitimate reason, as I understand, for doing this. That reason is because a substantial percentage of Vietnamese women in the US have been or shall be acquired by men of other races, such as White men.
July 23rd, 2009 at 12:58 pm PDT - I agree with the fact about the frauds in credit card purchase in Vietnam. I know it from my brother who is in e-commerce business and he knows quite a few experience on handling this in Vietnam. However, you can reduce the fraud rate significantly with common sense, understanding of culture together with some simple sanity checks. So, people who want to do e-commerce in Vietnam don't give up. It's nearly an unoccupied land and there is a way to do it correctly if you interested in enough to learn. The way that people use Internet in...
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