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2009/6/2-5 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:53071 Activity:low
6/2     "GM to sell Hummer to Chinese company"
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090602/ap_on_bi_ge/us_automakers
        Why would China want to buy the Hummer brand?  They already have their
        own Humvee copycat - the East Wind EQ2050: http://www.csua.org/u/le9
        \_ Because "China" is one big hive mind where everyone thinks alike,
           right?
           \_ That is mostly true, just as most Americans are dumb because
              they elected someone like Bush to go to war. You see, there's
              a difference between perception and reality, but externally,
              it makes no difference.
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Click Here By TOM KRISHER and BREE FOWLER, AP Auto Writers Tom Krisher And Bree Fowler, Ap Auto Writers - Tue Jun 2, 6:30 pm ET DETROIT - General Motors Corp. took a key step toward its downsizing on Tuesday, striking a tentative deal to sell its Hummer brand to a Chinese manufacturer, while also revealing that it has potential buyers for its Saturn and Saab brands. China's Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. said Tuesday afternoon that it reached an agreement to acquire the brand from GM for an undisclosed ammount. The Detroit automaker had announced Tuesday morning that it had a memorandum of understanding to sell the brand of rugged SUVs, but it didn't identify the buyer. Sichuan Tengzhong deals in road construction, plastics, resins and other industrial products, but Hummer would be its first step into the automotive business. GM said the sale will likely save more than 3,000 US jobs in manufacturing, engineering and at various Hummer dealerships. 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Dongfeng hummer The symbol of all things American, the overly big, resource wasting, road hogging SUV come monster truck jeep - the Humvee has an Asian copycat, in terms of the East Wind (Dong Feng in Chinese) EQ2050 and Shenyang Aircraft Industry Co's SFQ2040 HMWWV (pictured below) Sinopec has actually bought real Humvees from the USA in the 90's for use in the civillian sectors. com, the chassis and several parts of the engine come from GM, would the PLA want to rely on foreign companies to supply its potentially main vehicle? Im not sure how realiable this information is, seeing as the US and Europe (and most of the capitalist world) has a ban on exporting weapons technology to China for use within weapon systems. The Dongfeng humvee has a V8 AMG Diesel engine, with 200BHP and a price tag of 250k RMB I'm sure the PLA boys will have a great time playing with this bad boy. The body has only basic protection from small arms fire but looks like it could be upgraded, as could the whole body, to carry missiles, or gun mounts etc. Anyway, there are two companies in China that are producing Humvee copies, and both are undergoing road testing with the PLA. Comment by Barry 2006-11-15 07:28:08 I cant believe they have so deliberately copied an entire car! The shape/style of it is practically the same as the American hummer! Beijing Benz announced that it had overhauled the aging 2020, to bring it up to date with the American Humvee, (see China Car Times earlier post on the Chinese Humvee) The new Beijing Jeep, named Warrior' (could prove quite popular with China's other army, the army of Counter Strike addicted teenage boys) comes equipped with a 32litre engine, and can survive in temperatures up to minus 41 degrees celcius! The engine is all new (even having a diesel one this time - should be better for crossing the Peoples' rivers than the original gasoline engine), the safety aspect has been remodeled with it having ABS as standard. Comment by Phillip Woon 2007-02-24 12:08:49 Nothing to see here folks, move along. Why don't they go to American car forums and make fun of those low-quality vehicles? Alexander 2007-03-03 12:15:49 Well I for one don't care about that it it looks like and is based upon the Humvee. Due to the nature of such vehicles in order to fulfil the brief of a military application it would end end up being similar as it seems that it is the best for the task. And I'm sure there are many vehicles out there which have taken the Humvee aproach to the task. Comment by Marco Subscribed to comments via email 2007-08-17 11:28:11 The Iveco LMV is totally different from the ugly Humvee. Talking about the chinese copy: yes it's surely identical to the Hummer! The fact that FIAT isn't very known outside Italy doesn't mean that it isn't good (here FIAT is a legend, and we are talking about Italy, not about some third world country). Comment by Mark Subscribed to comments via email 2007-10-16 23:05:25 There should be an international regulating body to prevent Chinese from copying designs of western cars.