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2009/5/20-25 [Reference/Religion] UID:53021 Activity:kinda low
5/18    Thousands beaten, raped in Irish Catholic reform schools:
        http://www.csua.org/u/oag (news.yahoo.com
        It's not just the US.  So much for Catholicism.
        \_ God will forgive them.
           \_ Yeah, and God will let them in to Heaven as long as they show
              regret.  So much for Catholicism.
        \_ The good news is that the Catholic church is kicking out father
           Cutie for the much worse sin of having consensual sex with an
           adult woman.
           \_ What?  So priests raping children is OK, but a priest having
              consensual sex with an adult woman is unforgivable?  Is that
              Satan I hear laughing?
              \_ This is just a Catholic thing, AFAIK. Most Jews and Christian
                 permit priests to marry and I think it's not a coincidence
                 that they don't have these molestation problems near as
                 much as the Catholic Church does.
                 \_ Christians generally call their "holy men" ministers,
                    and Jews call theirs Rabbis.  Is there any mainline
                    religion other than the Catholic Church which uses
                   "priest"?
                   \_ Not sure what your point is here, but yes. For example,
                      Eastern Orthodox and Episcopalian. In fact, the
                      Vatican has allowed Episcopalian priests to convert
                      even after they have married.
                 \_ How would allowing heterosexual marriage reduce
                    molestation of boys by priests?
                    \_ Are you really that dense?
                       \_ You meant "tense"?
              \_ Priests raping *male* children is okay, but priests having
                 consensual sex with female adults is not okay.  You get it
                 now?
                 \_ if only they castrate priests, none of this would be
                    an issues in the first place.
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John Kelly, of the Survivors of Child Abuse (SOCA) group, right, and Kevin AP - John Kelly, of the Survivors of Child Abuse (SOCA) group, right, and Kevin Flannagan brother of Mickey ... Slideshow:Ireland releases report on child abuse By SHAWN POGATCHNIK, Associated Press Writer Shawn Pogatchnik, Associated Press Writer - Wed May 20, 7:07 pm ET DUBLIN - After a nine-year investigation, a commission published a damning report Wednesday on decades of rapes, humiliation and beatings at Catholic Church-run reform schools for Ireland's castaway children. The 2,600-page report painted the most detailed and damning portrait yet of church-administered abuse in a country grown weary of revelations about child molestation by priests. The investigation of the tax-supported schools uncovered previously secret Vatican records that demonstrated church knowledge of pedophiles in their ranks all the way back to the 1930s. 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"I do genuinely believe that it would have been a further step towards our healing if our abusers had been named and shamed," said Christine Buckley, 62, who spent the first 18 years of her life in a Dublin orphanage where children were forced to manufacture rosaries -- and were humiliated, beaten and raped whether they achieved their quota or not. The Catholic religious orders that ran more than 50 workhouse-style reform schools from the late 19th century until the mid-1990s offered public words of apology, shame and regret Wednesday. But when questioned, their leaders indicated they would continue to protect the identities of clergy accused of abuse -- men and women who were never reported to police, and were instead permitted to change jobs and keep harming children. The Christian Brothers, which ran several boys' institutions deemed to have harbored serial child molesters and sadists on their staff, insisted it had cooperated fully with the probe. The order successfully sued the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report. No real names, whether of victims or perpetrators, appear in the final document. The Christian Brothers' leader in Ireland, Brother Kevin Mullan, said the organization had been right to keep names secret because "perhaps we had doubts about some of the allegations." "But on the other hand, I'd have to say that at this stage, we have no interest in protecting people who were perpetrators of abuse," Mullan said, vowing to "cooperate fully with any investigation or any civil authority seeking to explore those matters." Buckley, who said she was abused at an orphanage run by the Sisters of Mercy, which ran several refuges for girls where the report documented chronic brutality, said the religious orders for years branded the victims as money-seeking liars -- and were incapable of admitting their guilt today. 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