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4/5     In the Exurbs, the American Dream Is Up for Rent:
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123845433832571407.html
        \_ "As land values rose, the couple's combined mortgage and property
           tax payment soared, to $2,900 from $1,500."  Uhh, for some reason
           I don't think the wsj is being totally honest here.  Property taxes
           doubled the mortgage?  Really?
           \_ Could happen in places without Prop 13, which the anti-Prop 13
              people ignore. My mother-in-law bought a house back East for
              a lot less than it probably should have sold for. She then
              spent some money fixing it up. Then the real estate bubble
              hit. At the height her property tax was $8K/year and her
              mortgage was $9K/year. It started at $14K/year for the
              mortgage and $4K for tax, but she refinanced the mortgage
              when rates fell and the tax doubled. So in this case her
              expense was about the same ($18K vs. $17K) but her tax bill
              almost overtook her mortgage. That's ridiculous to happen in
              7 years.
              7 years. BTW, the article says: "No one in the history of
              the world ever washed a rented car." Well, I rented a truck once
              and went offroad in the mud and snow with it. I did take it to
              the car wash before I returned it because it was a mess.
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This service is temporary unavailable due to system maintenance. The username entered is already associated with another account. Please enter a different username The email address you have entered is already in use. Today, their credit is shot and they no longer own, but Ms Discianno still has a four-hour commute. The Disciannos are among many exurban families losing their homes and their grip on the dream of home ownership. The exurbs were among the fastest growing counties during the boom -- entire civilizations built around the idea of owning real estate. With home prices falling and unemployment rising, more people are renting -- just as they had before the boom -- and turning the community into a rental economy. Sally Ryan for The Wall Street Journal Many Plano residents in the newer homes are facing foreclosure as a result of rising property taxes based on the need for new governmental and community services. Photos: Playing Musical Houses Renting is one of the few ways for people to stay in the area and keep landlords afloat. It can be good for the overall economy because it promotes mobility. When the economy turns downward, renters are more willing than owners to move to a region where jobs are more plentiful. But that same mobility can make for less stable communities and lower property values. Some observers believe the growth of rental property is the first in a series of steps that will transform today's exurbs into tomorrow's low-income housing. These communities have a low tax base made up mostly of property and sales taxes, both of which are in decline. Lawrence Summers, economic adviser to President Barack Obama, has often explained it this way: "No one in the history of the world ever washed a rented car." What is happening on the urban fringe is similar to the urban decay that plagued cities after World War II, says Christopher B Leinberger, a real-estate developer and visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution. "Single-family homes and townhouses in cities were broken into rental units. Now, we're seeing that phenomenon move out to the fringe." And the decline in home prices and concentration of foreclosures is generally worse in outer-lying communities than in the central city or closer-in suburbs. The tug of home ownership in the exurbs changed how much of America lives and works. These outer-lying communities further popularized the "McMansion" and turned two-hour commutes into four. People didn't necessarily prefer to move so far out, but they did so for the promise of a home, a yard and tax-deductible interest payments. Many lower-salaried workers were able to afford their first home, while higher-paid professionals could trade up to a larger house with a big yard and a game room. About 17 million people, 56% of the US population, lived in the exurbs in 2007, according to the Brookings Institution, compared with 14 million people in 2000. Kendall County, about 50 miles west of Chicago, was one of the fastest growing exurbs during the boom years. The county's population about doubled during the housing boom, to some 100,000 residents in 2008 from roughly 55,000 in 2000. As people moved in, starter homes and shopping centers rose among worn barns and silos. The residents who came over the past few years have average incomes about 20% lower than established residents, according to an analysis of Internal Revenue Service data by Kenneth Johnson, senior demographer at the University of New Hampshire's Carsey Institute. About a third of Kendall County's labor force are in management and professional jobs, compared with 41% in nearby DuPage, an established suburban county where homes cost more. Now, as the housing bust and recession has turned the exurbs from engines of growth to economic laggards, many of these families have the worst of both worlds. In many cases the amenities they hoped would follow -- new shopping centers, movie theatres -- have ceased construction or opened with only a few stores. Government projects like new schools and parks have also been delayed as budgets get cut and population growth has slowed. In the Lakewood Springs development here where the Disciannos live, "For Sale" and "For Rent" signs are everywhere. A few have driveways littered with abandoned couches and stereos, and in some cases homeowners are living next to tenants paying half the cost of a mortgage. Couples like the Disciannos mirror the economic arc of the exurbs. With a no-money-down mortgage, the couple bought a $235,000 three-bedroom house in Plano, doubling Ms Discianno's round-trip commute to more than four hours. Ms Discianno, an IT project manager for a Chicago law firm, says at first the trade-offs were worth it. At the family's apartment complex back in Aurora, Ms Discianno says she often felt guilty about raising her two children in cramped quarters. On a few occasions, the neighbors complained when her daughter played hopscotch on a common walkway, and Ms Discianno had to limit sleepovers to one friend for lack of space. Their house in Plano had a back yard and nearby jungle gyms. "We could actually own something and afford it," says Ms Discianno, who was able to pay the early payments of $1,500 a month. "Friends can come see them, instead of them always going somewhere else." As land values rose, the couple's combined mortgage and property tax payment soared, to $2,900 from $1,500. 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