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2009/2/6-10 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes] UID:52525 Activity:low
2/5     Is CS 162 considered one of the more difficult UCB CS courses? I
        remember everyone being afraid of CS 150.
        \_ In the old days, 150 was a pain in the butt because of breadboards.
           One can easily spend 1/2 a day only to realize a wire is
           missing or popped off during transport. The fact that you gotta
           wire everything based on TTL/CMOS chips and having to go through
           cookbooks, makes it a total pain and error prone. Nowadays,
           CS150 is done mostly via Xilinx tools. You use some tool to
           wire components, then let the compiler route, then program
           your FPGA, and voila! Well, it's not THAT simple, but at least
           much more pleasant than breadboards. So, yes 150 used to be the
           project everyone feared. Nowadays, 162 is THE feared project
           as well as 164.
           as well as 164.      -TA who taught during the breadboard
                                 to new Xilinx tools transition during the
                                 mid-90s when the tools really sucked back
                                 then but has improved a lot since then.
           \_ Wow you guys are wimps these days. Esp. if you fear 164.
              Unless things have changed dramatically in the last say,
              5 years, which I doubt.
        \_ It's "more difficult" in the sense that the project is more work
           than the typical CS class. Same with 150, though projects there
           probably are even more work than 162, esp. since the groups are
           smaller.
        \_ 162 was a lot of work, but it seemed to flow together logically.
           It wasn't that hard, but it was time consuming.  For some people
           in my class it was pretty obvious they never "got" it, but really
           those people should have taken it as a sign that they needed a
           new major.
        \_ From my ancient experience (15 yrs ago) CS 150 was much more
           difficult than any other CS class by a LOT.
           \_ Difficult because it was TIME CONSUMING. Not as theoretically
              difficult as theory or math, for example. Who taught 150
              15 years ago?
                \_ Difficult both by the subject matter and the insane
                   amount of time you had to invest
        \_ Wow, I remember it as 160.  The projects were big, especially if
           your group bailed on you.  However, when I took the class, we used
           NACHOS, not BSD.
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