Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 52335
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2009/1/7-12 [Finance/Investment] UID:52335 Activity:nil 61%like:52338
        Barron's article warning about Treasuries says to buy TBT and PST.
        \_ Of course last year Barron's was telling us that the housing
           crisis would be minor and blow over by mid 2008.
           \_ CBS Marketwatch commentary says the same:
              I am not saying this is good advice. It may be a contrarian
              indicator. However, it is something to consider and do more
              research on.
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Manage Subscription MONDAY, JANUARY 5, 2009 BARRON'S COVER Get Out Now! By ANDREW BARY The bubble in Treasuries looks ready to pop, sending prices on government debt sharply lower. But just about every other corner of the bond market beckons -- and could provide competitive returns with stocks, even if the equity markets have a strong 2009. Bloglines Reader Or copy the rss link: THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT BUBBLE TODAY may involve one of the safest asset classes: US Treasuries. Yields have plunged to some of the lowest levels since the 1940s as investors, fearful of a sustained global economic downturn and potential deflation, have rushed to purchase government-issued debt. Getty Images The market also has been supported by comments from the Federal Reserve that it, too, may buy long-term Treasuries. The 30-year T-bond stands at 282%, and three-month Treasury bills were sold last week for a yield of just 005%. 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Obama's Challenge latest news Saved by zero Commentary: Shorting US Treasurys is the way to play in January By Thomas Kee Last update: 12:01 am EST Jan. These are reverberating throughout the financial world, and they were the talk of virtually every holiday party I attended. However, this all-in approach has also created a circulatory trap which may cause any projected recovery in the equity markets to stall prematurely. Even though the net return is nil, invested assets in US Treasurys are still believed to be protected from decline. Therefore, 0% yields can provide opportunities for some investors to appreciate. Interestingly though, the best opportunities may not be what most people are aware of. At first glance, an opportunity for zero risk seems like an obvious decision. What often seems like the path of least resistance turns out to be more formidable. Those investors who are rushing to protect their assets in no-return treasurys will end up being ensnared in those positions until they mature. This, in turn, will limit the recovery in the equity market by creating the circulatory trap referenced above. The byproduct of the circulatory trap detailed below is a decline in US Treasurys, and an opportunity to short them as a result. For January, my recommendation is to short US Treasurys. I will explain the most efficient method for doing that in the details below. First, the circulatory trap will develop as follows: The consequence of the "all in" approach of the FOMC is the problem. The already obvious decline in value of the dollar versus foreign currencies has produced added risks in otherwise safe investments. Therefore, foreign investors, who are coincidentally being relied upon to support our growing national deficit, will be faced with an added hurdle when considering an investment in Treasurys. Not only will the return on investment be virtually zero, but the return of the investment itself is now questionable as well. Investors from euro nations, for example, may determine that the actual value of their potential investment in US Treasurys will be lower when those bonds reach maturity. This will occur even though the investment returns the same dollar amount. This happens because the risk of continued devaluation in the dollar is high. In turn, potential foreign investors may perceive investments in US Treasurys as more risky than we might otherwise believe. Consequently, I expect demand for US Treasurys by foreigners to dry up considerably. As supply increases in direct relation to our growing deficit, and demand contracts in direct relation to our declining dollar, I also expect prices of US Treasurys to fall. Any investments made at current levels will be underwater in the near future, and that should force those investors to stay put, even if an equity recovery begins. This, in turn, will prevent the return to parity, which I discussed in my November Trading Strategies article, from having the same impact as I initially believed. In essence, money will be tied up in Treasurys, and unavailable to reallocate into equities as a result. Before I explain the best procedure for taking advantage of the declining value of Treasurys, I do believe the equity market will recover somewhat in 2009. However, given this scenario, I am now concerned that the recovery will be much more restricted than I initially expected. Eventually I expect contemporary Darwinism to cause Citigroup Inc. Although this could be construed as a negative, especially when combined with the declining value of Treasurys, opportunities do exist. Interestingly, I perceive these opportunities to include inherent risk controls at the same time. Inherent risk controls are a natural component of the zero yields of Treasurys. In other words, Treasury yields cannot fall much lower than they already are, and therefore prices are unlikely to increase much more either. Therefore, short positions in US Treasurys have limited downside, if they are opened properly. This is a double weighted short ETF based on the Lehman 7 to 10 year bond index. It does not require sophisticated analysis or futures trading. This is already short, so this is a long recommendation in a professionally managed short-based ETF. A reasonable stop loss should be placed just under the 52-week low because of the dynamics of the investment vehicle, but I believe this position inherently incorporates risk controls already. In addition, I believe PST offers a significant opportunity to patient investors over time. January should be a good time to enter this position, but expect to hold it for a while. Rather than a trade, this could be considered as a short term investment. This position may trade sideways for a while, but once foreign demand starts to dry up and Treasurys are repriced, this position should start to perform well, and reward patient investors. Thomas Kee is president and chief executive of Stock Traders Daily, Founder of the Investment Rate, Architect of the ATAP Program, and active supporter of risk control and proactive trading strategies; his automated, correlated, Market Timing and Stock Selection tools. NASDAQ traded symbols and their current financial status. Intraday data delayed 15 minutes for Nasdaq, and 20 minutes for other exchanges. SEHK intraday data is provided by Comstock and is at least 60-minutes delayed.