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2009/1/7-12 [Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:52331 Activity:low
1/7     Ride BART, get handcuffed and shot in the back by BART police
        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/05/BAK61540MH.DTL&tsp=1
        \_ Now now, that also includes fighting and resisting.
           \_ Oh, so you think the shooting was justified?
              \_ No, just in favor of full disclosure--and it looks like he
                 really thought he was drawing a tazer.
                 \_ Not so sure about that - it looks to me like he's using
                    a regulation draw, hold, fire, and re-holster.  Isn't
                    the taser usually kept on the other side?  And why would
                    you taser someone at point blank range?  Isn't that
                    dangerous/ineffective?
                    \_ Capture error.  I don't think he intentionally shot the
                       guy, I think it was a mistake.  Involuntary
                       manslaughter, rather than 2nd degree murder.
        \_ did anyone else notice that the last line from SFO is now at 11:40pm?
                    \_ I read on the Mercury News that the taser is kept right
                       next to the firearm. I finally saw the video last night
                       and the officer looked pretty surprised right after
                       the shooting.
                    \_ When cops use lethal force, they're not trained to
                       "draw, fire, reholster".  It's draw, fire MULTIPLE
                       times, then assess before reholstering.  The sequence he
                       goes through is closer to taser.
                       \_ Why the hell was he tasering him?  When did tasering
                          a dude become something you do because you are grumpy
                          and want to cause someone serious pain?
        \_ did anyone else notice that the last line from SFO is now at
           11:40pm?
        \_ welcome to the post auto bailout america.  Do you really think
           they'll reward rail riders now that detoit got free monies?
        \_ Now you see why we need civil rights groups like Copwatch.
        \_ now we scream 187 on a motherfucking cop.
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Comments Georgia (default) Verdana Times New Roman Arial Font | Size: (01-05) 22:30 PST PST Oakland -- Five days have passed since a BART police officer shot and killed an unarmed rider on a station platform, but the officer has not given a statement to investigators about what happened and the transit agency has apparently not forced him to do so. The hold-up is one reason why BART officials - even in the face of public outcry - have said little publicly about the shooting, including whether they believe it was justified. BART has not released the officer's name, but The Chronicle has learned that the officer is two-year BART police veteran Johannes Mehserle, who turned 27 on Monday and whose first child was born within a day or two of the shooting - an event that may be a contributing factor to why Mehserle has not yet explained the shooting to investigators. Officials have only said that Mehserle's gun discharged, killing 22-year-old Oscar Grant of Hayward. He had been detained and forced to lie chest down on the ground at Oakland's Fruitvale Station after 2 am in the chaotic aftermath of a fight on BART on New Year's Day. BART has promised a thorough probe, and Alameda County prosecutors are investigating as well, as is standard in officer-involved shootings. But the delay is troubling to John Burris, the Oakland attorney who is representing Grant's family and who plans to file a $25 million damage claim today against the transit agency, a legal precursor to a civil lawsuit. Burris is also calling for the officer to be charged criminally. Burris, who has represented clients in more than a dozen officer-involved shootings, said he had never seen such a long delay before an officer makes a statement to investigators. He said it raises the possibility that the statement could be affected by the video footage and by loss of memory, among other things. "When you delay like this, it raises questions about the integrity of the investigation. You want to prevent people from tailoring their statements to the evidence." BART spokesman Linton Johnson said Monday that Mehserle had not yet given a statement, but did not provide further details. David E Mastagni, an attorney for Mehserle, declined to comment on Monday. Michael Rains, a Pleasant Hill attorney who has represented officers in use-of-force cases and taught courses on internal investigations, said the public should not read anything into the officer's motives without knowing exactly what happened on the platform and what efforts BART investigators and prosecutors have made to arrange or compel an interview. Rains also said he did not believe Mehserle's statement would be tainted by a delay, even if he had seen video footage of the shooting. However, Rains said police agencies typically move fast to probe officer-involved shootings that are generating controversy. Often, he said, an officer will be asked to give a statement on the same day as the shooting. 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BART officer has yet to give account in shooting BA Five days have passed since a BART police officer shot and killed an unarmed rider on a station platform, but the officer has not given a statement to investigators about what happened and the transit agency has...