10/28   I'm reading NO ON PROP 7 web site that says Prop 7 will:
        increase elec bill by ~$300/year, force consumers to pay 10% more.
        Actually, I WANT everyone to pay more because electricity is still
        too cheap and people should cut down. I also love bills that is
        anti-growth (cheap energy, cheap food, etc). I really believe that
        anti-growth will leads to higher quality of living. Is there
        something wrong with me?
        \_ There are many things wrong with you, but this is not one of them.
        \_ I'm all for either a pollution tax or a higher gas tax.  Same
           reason.
        \_ But the radio commercial also says Prop 7 will eliminate small
           energy generators, which might not be good.
        \_ Yes, there's something wrong with you: you've bought into the idea
           that conservation is a model for living, not a stop-gap measure.
           The true goal must remain attaining infinite, perpetually renewable
           resources; once we attain this goal, we will no longer need to
           conserve, and we can make the _choice_ to live ascetically if we
           so desire. Forcing people to live ascetically in the face of a
           lack of limits is self-defeating.
           \_ Except there are no perpetual motion machines, so until we
              invent one, we will always be faced with limits.
              \_ Correct, and until then conservation is called for. However,
                 we must not allow the previous non-existence of such to
                 prevent our drive to create such. Conservation is a stop-
                 gap.
                 \_ Conservation is the most cost-effective and easiest
                    'stop gap'.
                    \_ In the words of Nils Bohr, you and I do not disagree
                       as much you seem to think.