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2008/10/23-28 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:51646 Activity:nil
10/23   House Dems want to remove 401K tax-break, and use proceeds for more
        Social Secuirty.
        http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php
        \_ EXTERIOR: SPACE AROUND THE DEATH STAR.
           The three TIE fighters move ever closer, closing in on Luke and
           Biggs
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        \_ What proceeds? It just means people will save less for retirement.
           If I contribute $100/month now I will contribute $70/month then
           (or whatever the math is) to make my take home about the same.
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House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401 Tax Breaks Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation's $3 trillion 401 system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401 investors receive. House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute. Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller's Education and Labor Committee on her proposal. At that hearing, the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter Orszag, testified that some $2 trillion in retirement savings has been lost over the past 15 months. Under Ghilarducci's plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the US government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation. The current system of providing tax breaks on 401 contributions and earnings would be eliminated. "I want to stop the federal subsidy of 401s," Ghilarducci said in an interview. "401s can continue to exist, but they won't have the benefit of the subsidy of the tax break." Under the current 401 system, investors are charged relatively high retail fees, Ghilarducci said. "I want to spend our nation's dollar for retirement security better. Everybody would now be covered" if the plan were adopted, Ghilarducci said. She has been in contact with Miller and McDermott about her plan, and they are interested in pursuing it, she said. certainly is intriguing," said Mike DeCesare, press secretary for McDermott. While Miller stopped short of calling for Ghilarducci's plan at the hearing last week, he was clearly against continuing tax breaks as they currently exist. Savings rate "The savings rate isn't going up for the investment of $80 billion," he said. whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not generating what we now say it should." "From where I sit that's just crazy," said John Belluardo, president of Stewardship Financial Services Inc. "A lot of people contribute to their 401s because of the match of the employer," he said. Higher-income employers provide matching funds to employee plans so that they can qualify for tax benefits for their own defined-contribution plans, he said. "If the tax deferral goes away, the employers have no reason to do the matches, which primarily help people in the lower income brackets," Belluardo said. "This is a battle between liberalism and conservatism," said Christopher Van Slyke, a partner in the La Jolla, California, advisory firm Trovena, which manages $400 million. "People are afraid because their accounts are seeing some volatility, so Democrats will seize on the opportunity to attack a program where investors control their own destiny," he said. The Profit Sharing/401 Council of America in Chicago, which represents employers that sponsor defined-contribution plans, is "staunchly committed to keeping the employee benefit system in America voluntary," said Ed Ferrigno, vice president in the Washington office. that the entire system should be based on the activities of the markets in the last 90 days is not the way to judge the system," he said. No legislative proposals have been introduced and Congress is out of session until next year. However, most political observers believe that Democrats are poised to gain seats in both the House and the Senate, so comments made by the mostly Democratic members who attended the hearing could be a harbinger of things to come. Advice at issue In addition to tax breaks for 401s, the issue of allowing investment advisors to provide advice for 401 plans was also addressed at the hearing. Robert Andrews, D-New Jersey, was critical of Department of Labor proposals made in August that would allow advisors to give individual advice if the advice was generated using a computer model. Andrews characterized the proposals as "loopholes" and said that investment advice should not be given by advisors who have a direct interest in the sale of financial products. "In retrospect that doesn't seem like such a good idea to me," Andrews said. I frankly think that the compromise we struck in 2006 is not terribly workable or wise," he said. On Thursday, October 9, the Department of Labor hastily scheduled a public hearing on the issue in Washington for Tuesday, October 21. The agency does not frequently hold public hearings on its proposals. News in Brief Archive Subscribe to Workforce Management If you enjoy the content on the Workforce Management Web site and want to see more, try 3 issues of our print edition risk-free. If you wish to continue, you will receive one full year for just $79. If you decide Workforce Management is not for you, just write "Cancel" on the invoice, return it and owe nothing. The 3 issues are yours to keep with no further obligation to us.