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2008/10/22-27 [Reference/BayArea, Recreation/Dating] UID:51631 Activity:moderate
10/22   So, anyone here live in SF?  How are you voting on Measure K?
        \_ I'm going to a YES TO PROP 8 rally in SF this week.
           \_ When/Where is that?  THAT should be interesting.
              \_ However interesting it gets, it'll still be safer
                 than NO TO PROP 8 rally in Chico.
                 \_ You've never been to Chico, have you.
                    \_ Yeah try Redding or Bakersfield
                    \_ No I've never been there though I'm sure there
                       are a lot more CCW permits in Chico than SF.
                       \_ What, do you think that you would get shot or
                          something? You really don't know Chico very well...
                       \_ If you ask your average Chican for a shotgun, odds
                          are that you're going to get a beer with two holes.
           \_ Which phone booth is that being held in?
           \_ yeah where is it?  i'll show.
        \_ Looking forward to some legal hookin, eh?
           \_ Nah, I'd vote no, but I don't live in SF.  I was curious if
              anyone had anything interesting to say. -op
        \_ totally misguided.There is always    the weird SF crowd who seem to
           think that most of the women in the  underground prostitution
           economy are     there of their own free will.  All of those foreign
           women in lab    coats at the massage parlors have an imaginary
           500k  debt to   pay off  to a smuggler or the smugglers      have
           threatened to kill their entire family back   in the old country.
           They       should  focus their efforts in getting the women  to join
           the        real economy, off of drugs and off of the street.
           \_ What's with your spaceing?
              \_ i think my .emacs is out of control.
           \_ I personally know at least three sex workers who are doing if
           \_ I personally know at least three sex workers who are doing it
              of their own free will. Go to http://kink.com and you will find dozens.
              Legalizing it is a better way of regulating it than what we have
              now. Compare Amsterdam vs. SF. In which one is there less
              exploitive sex trade? Oh, I am an SF resident voting Yes on K.
              \_ So, this is my problem with it.  Legalizing and regulating
                 ala Nevada might be reasonable.  Simply having the police
                 not prosecute it seems like it would just make things worse.
                 \_ I doubt it, though I agree with you on the legalize angle.
                    \_ My thinking is basically this, decrimializing it does
                       not make it a legitimate business.  It does not
                       regulate it.  It simply allows criminals to work
                       unmolested. That really just means all the pimps and
                       thugs will go to SF to do their business.
                       \_ I don't think that decriminalizing marijuana
                          distribution increased the amount of violent crime
                          in SF, so I don't think this will either. You forget
                          that "sex tourism" is a pretty big, if often
                          unappreciated, part of the economy here. Did you
                          know that massage parlors have to get a license
                          a special fee, that goes straight to the Public Health
                          Dept ? It is already half-decrminalized as it is.
                          Dept ? It is already half-decriminalized as it is.
                          a special fee, that goes straight to the Public
                          Health Dept ? It is already half-decriminalized
                          as it is.
                          \_ Excuse me? This is in SF? Are you SURE?
                             \_ What part are you asking me to restate here?
        \_ In Sweden they made it legal to sell sex, but not buy it:
        http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/15/news/Sweden-Prostitution.php
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www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/15/news/Sweden-Prostitution.php
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