Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 51542
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2008/10/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51542 Activity:moderate
10/16   Joe the "Plumber" not actually a plumber
        http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418
        \_ I don't have a bachelor's degree but I work at a tech firm.
           And we care because... ?
           \_ Because plumbers actually have to get certified, unlike
              software engineers?
              \_ only if his customers care. My mom always hire unlicensed
                 contractors for her rental properties because they're a
                 lot cheaper.
        \_ He *works* for a plumber.  He *wants* to buy the business, which
           would mean he'd need to be certified at that point.
           \_ he also clearly doesn't understand how business taxes work.
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TOM TROY BLADE STAFF WRITERS "Joe the Plumber" isnt a plumber at least not a licensed one, or a registered one. A check of state and local licensing agencies in Ohio and Michigan shows no plumbing licenses under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbachers name, or even misspellings of his name. Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr Obama and Republican nominee John McCain. Since last night Mr Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews. According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A W Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license. Mr Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newells license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means hes not a plumber. Mr Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview. He said its his understanding he can work under Mr Newells license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site. Mr Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors license test. Mr Wurzelbachers notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr Wurzelbacher didnt undergo any apprenticeship training. "When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, its a little disreputable to start with," Mr Joseph said. Mr Joseph said Mr Wurzelbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country. 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He said he makes no where near that much money but he would not say how much he makes or if he ever expects to make $250,000. Court records from a divorce show Mr Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006. He said, "Is it right to take someones money because they work a little harder? Mr Wurzelbacher said he disagrees with the idea of people being taxed at a higher rate because they earn more. "Theyre going to take more of your money because youve been more successful," he said. In January, 2007, the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed. Mr Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support. 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"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream," Mr Wurzelbacher said Sunday. Mr Obama said, in part, "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success, too. "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." The exchange was caught on videotape and was broadcast on a variety of news outlets and put on numerous Web sites, including YouTube. It was the "spread the wealth around" comment that caught the attention of conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, and in discussions on the Internet. Mr Wurzelbacher was a guest of Fox News' Neil Cavuto on Tuesday. During the debate, Mr McCain challenged Mr Obama: "Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business, but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes." "You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream," Mr McCain said. Mr McCain then looked directly into the television camera and said: "Joe, I want to tell you, I'll not only help you buy that business that you worked your whole life for and I'll keep your taxes low and I'll provide available and affordable health care for you and your employees. And I will not stand for a tax increase on small-business income." "Not only...