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2008/10/13-15 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51502 Activity:moderate
10/13   Heeeere it comes, the next McCain hail mary:
        http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/12/press-reset-if-campaign-freezes-and-seems-broken
        http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93PD0880&show_article=1
        http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/is-drudge-priming-mccain-reboot.html
        \_ How many of those can you throw?
        \_ If McCain actually disavows the loony side of his Party, I will
           be really impressed with him.
           \_ It would be a lot more impressive if he hadn't spent the last
              year give the loony side of his Party delicious blowjobs.
           \_ Why would McCain strategy #12321 be impressive?
              \_ Because it would take some real moral courage.
               \_ No, what would have taken moral courage would have been
                  not to cozy up with the loony side in the first place.
                  It doesn't take courage to stop being dispicable after
                  you've discovered that's being dispicable is a losing tactic.
                  It doesn't take courage to stop being despicable after
                  you've discovered that's being despicable is a losing tactic.
                  \_ Life isn't always scripted you know. It is possible that
                     McCain did not realize that palling around with Rove's
                     team would lead to such a lynch mob mentality. I certainly
                     was expecting an ugly campaign, but nothing like the near-
                     riot levels of hysteria from the Right. Pulling the
                     country back from that kind of political violence speaks
                     well of McCain's character.
                     \_ So you are saying it's not poor John McCain's fault
                        run of the sleaziest, deceitful campaigns ever?  Gee,
                        I guess he really is senile then, because that's the
                        only reason I could see you giving him a pass for
                        how he ran his campaign.
                        \_ You are almost as dumb as George W. Bush. I am hardly
                           giving him a "pass" in fact if he does not change
                           the tone of his campaign, I will be the first to
                           call him on it. It would be nice if he did the
                           right thing, though I am not holding my breath.
                           I am the guy who gave Obama $2300, btw, in case
                           you think I am some kind of closet McCain supporter.
                        ran one of the sleaziest, deceitful campaigns ever?
                        Gee, I guess he really is senile then, because
                        that's the only reason I could see you giving him
                        a pass for how he ran his own campaign.
                        \_ No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that if
                           he admits that he made a mistake and does his best
                           to rectify it, it will make him an unusually morally
                           courages and admirable person. It is rare that anyone
                           does something like this, in my experience, and
                           especially rare for the fragile egomaniacs that end
                           up in politics. But it looks like I won't have to
                           re-assess him, because it looks like he isn't going
                           to fire Atwater's army of Orcs.
                           to fire Atwater and his army of Orcs.
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just-released ABC/WaPo poll that show Obama continuing to gain ground. Drudge has a nose for news, and he knows that a one-point gain in a tracking poll is not news -- unless someone desperately wants it to be. Bill Kristol advocates in his must-read Monday AM piece in the Times, including some combination of pledging to run a positive campaign; In fact, Kristol's column may be something of a trial balloon for this strategy. What the McCain campaign really, really doesn't want is for this move to be portrayed as desperate stunt. McCain has already developed a reputation for being a bit erratic under pressure -- the ABC/Post poll now shows that a 48-45 plurality of voters trust Obama to handle an "unexpected major crisis" -- and Bill Burton and Robert Gibbs must be foaming at the mouth waiting to spin something like this. The only way for McCain to do that is for him to convince the media that he already had the momentum. 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