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| 2008/10/11-15 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:51475 Activity:low |
10/11 Hilarious Acorn slimey lawyer. What a dirtbag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goTICiFQoeE
\_ Josh Marshall has the clearest explanation for all this, but
I'm sure it won't penetrate your tinfoil hat:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
\_ What it comes down to is the whole Acorn story is another
dangerous mistruth being spread by the McCain campaign.
McCain has proven over and over again he has no problem with
telling massive lies if he thinks it will help him.
\_ The gist is that Acorn pays unemployed and sometimes
even homeless people to collect signatures. This is
a dubious tactic, because the collectors have a huge
incentive to produce fake registration documents
in return for cold cash. This is is why the Democratic
party doesn't associate with Acorn. However, it's
not a sign of a nefarious plot of any kind, and in fact
there has never been a documented instance of anyone
trying to *use* these fake registrations. If you
register as a member of the Dallas Cowboys or
Mickey Mouse, you're not going to be able to vote.
Vote fraud occurs only if you *try* to make an
illegal *vote*. Acorn in fact reported a lot of the
fake registrations *themselves*. The fact is that
the right is trying to make a huge deal out of this
because they know they're going to lose and they
want to deligitamize the results. A coordinated vote
fraud effort of the sort suggested by the right is
a tinfoil hat fantasy that would be next to impossible
to pull off, and years of investigations by Bush
justice department officials have never turned up
anything.
\_ We need to find a way to turn right wing nutjob paniced desperation
into energy. It could get us off foreign oil in days. How do you
fall for this premptive THEY STOLE THE ELECTION bullshit? Are you
that stupid? Here's a hint. Every voter registration drive
gets bullshit registrations. That's why they are looked over
by the state. Acron does flag some as pretty obvious fakes but
STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT THEM. You are not allowed to collect
voter registrations and then throw some of them out. Otherwise
you would have sleazy registration drives where people who
"register" people and then decide "hey all these registrations
for the party I don't like, I think they are 'invalid'". (Although
that's more of a Republican tactic, consdidering the Republican
party seems to think legal disenfrancisment of legitimate minorty
voters an acceptable tactic.)
\_ What made me laugh about this guy is how he'd complain about
anyone interrupting, but constantly interrupted Fund. And
whenever he was factually called on issues (by the Dem official
in NV for instance) he's just spin and divert. Slimey lawyer.
Acorn is in trouble, seeing as it's being investigated in 12
states, and this guy isn't helping. -op
\_ Investigated by an administration that has turned the
justice department into a political tool. Investigated
by an adminstration the illegally fired federal prosecutors
who told them they weren't going to proscecute bogus voter
fraud cases. Investigated by an adminstration whose party
has tried time and time to illegally disenfrancise minority
voters purely because they tend to vote for the other party.
People who worry about a vast brown person voter fraud
army are one step below Ron Paul supporters. Then again,
you do watch Fox and Friends and think it is legit news.
\_ Actually, no I don't. But nice conspiracy theory there,
speaking of tinfoil hats. -op
\_ Then why did you post a Fox and Friends clip as if
was legit?
\_ Uh, the conversation took place, no?
\_ When did you stop beating your wife? |
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| www.youtube.com/watch?v=goTICiFQoeE Good comment Marked as spam Reply Levenson is incredibly full of shit He has even tried passing off saying ACORN is "nonpartisan." Good comment Marked as spam Reply Stage hands should of rushed that acorn goon and ball gag him while the other guest responded. Letting loose the fowl stench of his annoying grin crack open when the other is done. I personally would've tazered that gas bag after the third time he interrupted. Good comment Marked as spam Reply They admit to fraud for months then complain that they get caught just before the election? It doesn't matter what or who Acorn is or isn't: this man was creepy and trying, unsuccessfully i hope, to shut up debate. Just yell everyone down, let's don't let anyone hear the facts. This nonseniscal philibuster tells us all we need to know about ACORN. Just as this guy from ACORN stole the interview, ACORN is trying to steal the election. Good comment Marked as spam Reply This ACORN putz oozes lies while grinning like a mob lawyer. We are witnessing the election being stolen RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. This guy will be Obama's press secretary and ACORN will get even MORE TAX DOLLARS to Obama's thuggery. Good comment Marked as spam Reply Its obvious from this Acorn guy that he was well trained by Obama. Obfuscate, lie, intimidate and accuse the other party of being wrong. |
| talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php Josh Marshall The Republican party is grasping on to the ACORN story as a way to delegitimize what now looks like the probable outcome of the November election. It is also a way to stoke the paranoia of their base, lay the groundwork for legal challenges of close outcomes in various states and promote new legal restrictions on legitimate voting by lower income voters and minorities. The big picture is that these claims of 'voter fraud' are themselves a fraud, a tool to aid in suppressing Democratic voter turnout. But I want give readers a bit more detail to understand what is going because the right-wing freak out about ACORN happens pretty much on schedule every two years. The whole scam is premised on having enough people who don't remember when they tried it before who they can then confuse and lie to. And this is clearly important because I'm hearing from a lot of people whose heart is in the right place thinking some real voter fraud conspiracy has been uncovered and that Obama has to distance himself from it post-haste. ACORN registers lots of lower income and/or minority voters. They operate all across the country and do a lot of things beside voter registration. By and large they do not rely on volunteers to register voters. They hire people -- often people with low incomes or even the unemployed. This has the dual effect of not only registering people but also providing some work and income for people who are out of work. But because a lot of these people are doing it for the money, inevitably, a few of them cut corners or even cheat. So someone will end up filling out cards for nonexistent names and some of those slip through ACORN's own efforts to catch errors. So thousands of phony registrations ends up being, like, twelve. I've always had questions about whether this is a good way to do voter registration. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. At least in hindsight, the center's line of argument is easily deconstructed. A new report by Lorraine Minnite of Barnard College looks at these anecdotes and shows them to be, for the most part, wholly spurious. Sure, one can find a rare case of someone voting in two jurisdictions, but nothing extensive or systematic has been unearthed or documented. But perhaps most importantly, the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through the use of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible. Suppose I want to swing the Missouri election for my preferred presidential candidate. I would have to figure out who the fake, dead or missing people on the registration rolls are, then pay a lot of other individuals to go to the polling place and claim to be that person, without any return guarantee - thanks to the secret ballot - that any of them will cast a vote for my preferred candidate. Those who do show up at the polls run the risk of being detected and charged with a felony. The Justice Department devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country. Of the many experts consulted, the only dissenter from that position was a representative of the now-evaporated American Center for Voting Rights. Often by people with at least a mild political interest in finding wrongdoing. Remember, most of those now-famous fired US Attorneys from 2007 were Republican appointees who were canned after they got tasked with investigating allegations of widespread vote fraud, did everything they could to find it, but came up with nothing. That was the wrong answer so Karl Rove and his crew at the Justice Department fired them. Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. What you're hearing right now from Fox News, the New York Post, John Fund and the rest of the right-wing bamboozlement chorus is a just another effort to exploit, confuse and lie in an effort to put more severe restrictions on legitimate voting and lay the groundwork to steal elections. Late Update: McCain's sleaze and disgrace just runs deeper and deeper. McCain's team has been pushing it on reporters today and just put out one of the most obvious web videos yet. I say "obvious" because the implication of the 24/7 Fox coverage is made blatant. It's saying to white voters, "we know you're angry about the economy. This is a 90-second ad aimed at the base who are watching Fox News. But he's setting up a large proportion (maybe the majority) of the GOP base to believe that scary blacks stole the election for Barack Obama. He is scum, and if in 10 years his name isn't synonymous with Lester Maddox and George Wallace than historians won't have done their job. The essence of McCain's campaign now appears to amount to prepping McCain's base to believe they didn't really lose the election. The election was stolen from them by Barack and his army of gangsters and black street hustlers. |