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2008/9/17-19 [Finance/Investment] UID:51207 Activity:high
9/17    Guys, several days ago I posted (not on soda) that confidence was
        severely shaken in the financial markets and this effect would be
        long-lasting.
        Today, there is almost a sense of panic among U.S. investment bankers,
        traders, and politicians in the finance/banking committees.
        You know what white collar workers are thinking by virtue of
        being one.
        Note I am not telling you what to do, just giving you data points.
        \_ I believe in the 2G currency in our new economy: gold and guns
        \_ What exactly will this lower confidence mean?  What exactly does
           "confidence in the financial markets" mean?
           \_ http://market-ticker.denninger.net -op
              \_ Ok, America government is totally fucked. What is new?
                 Should we stock up food and ammos? What's your advice?
                 \_ you've been given the tools.  i posted to motd at least
                    three times on 8/21, 8/22, and 9/10 about this, and I got
                    yelled at then and I got yelled at after the market
                    dropped.  i posted because i would've felt guilty if i
                    didn't give you guys a warning.  i did, three times.  i
                    have not gloated at all.  what should you do?  do some
                    research, and come back in a few days with a proposal -op
                    \_ 1) Liquidate
                       2} Buy bonds
                       3) open up Swiss accounts
              \_ I like the Find Your Russian Beauty ad to the right.
        \_ I bought 100 shares of GS for $100 today. All kinds of stocks are
           on discount, I can barely contain myself. "Be greedy when others
           are fearful." -Warren Buffet
           on discount, I can barely contain myself. Anyone with half a brain
           takes this as an opportunity to buy. "Be Greedy When Others Are
           Fearful" - Warren Buffet
           \_ That assumes you know something other people don't.
              Investors are punishing all financials now because no one knows
              who's telling the truth anymore. Do you have inside sources or
              do a lot of your own research? Otherwise you might want
              to stick to a more diversified strategy.
              \_ hey, he's up $14.  Well, only $10 if you count afterhours.
                 who knows, if the stock goes up to $130 tomorrow that's a
                 $30K profit.
                 \_ You added a zero.
                    \_ oops, should be $3K.  silly me I thought he put in
                       $100K into GS.
              \_ I know that Paulson, who is an ex-CEO of GS, is the Secretary
                 of the Treasury. I know enough about how Wall Street (and the
                 world in general) to know that he won't let his former pals
                 down. I also know that it is better to move contrary to the
                 herd, having sold my overinflated <DEAD>dot.com<DEAD> stock in 2000. But
                 I sometimes move early, I admit.
                 \_ You might be interested to know that Warren Buffet is
                    not buying investment banks right now. The rumor is
                    that he called them a "falling knife". I considered buying
                    GS, but I think their prospects are uncertain. People on
                    Wall Street think we are not near the end of this mess. As
                    far as GS fell, they are still only at a 3 year low. What
                    you need to do is buy stocks that fell because of sheer
                    sympathy and I don't think that qualifies GS.
                    \_ Yeah, this one is "mad money" and is already down
                       again today. I am mostly in boring dividend paying
                       stocks like KO and PM and GE. Got any other suggestions?
                       \_ MON?
                       \_ I heard GE gets over 50% of its profits, revenue, or
                          something from its finance divisions. Which is
                          probably why it got punished more than you'd
                          otherwise expect.
                          \- are you thinking of GE capital? GE capital isnt
                             finance in teh sense of retail loans and such.
                             for example they used to own a huge fraction of
                             shipping containers in the world.
                          \_ Where did you hear that? I read in the WSJ that
                             they got 25% of their profits from that division
                             last year, so that part might be down. It is still
                             a steal at current prices. I just bought some
                             EWG, too.
                       \_ I'd say GS starts to get interesting in the low 90s
                          and is a definite buy at 85.
                          \_ How did you calculate those price points?
                          \_ It's up to $135 now. WTF in their right mind
                             would buy at $135 in this market? Sure, it's
                             lower than it was but no effing way. I am
                             curious if the guy who bought at $100 is out now.
                             \_ No, I am just happy that I got some stock in
                                such a great institution at such a low price.
                                Though I am temted to sell some calls at this
                                level to lock in some of my gain.
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market-ticker.denninger.net
Credit Bubble Stocks Monday, March 17, 2008 Boooooooooooooommmmmm! CNBC started running their Asia coverage last night as the markets pretty much literally fell apart. For once, Americans got to hear some truth - from people not in America. Specifically, claims that "its all the shorts fault", and "The Fed could actually make money on the BSC backstop", along with all sorts of other nonsense. And I might - just might - find a lucky shamrock and some fair Irish Maiden may suddenly appear next to me this evening and ravish me all night long. Of course it is far more likely that this will happen in my dreams..... Can I just watch Asian and European CNBC coverage all the time? At least they tell the truth some of the time, instead of being a cheerleading squad herding Joe Six Pack straight towards the cliff, below which there is...... Exciting, dangerous, and for some (myself included) insanely profitable. Not my best day ever in the futures, but in the top 5 - and it was the overnight session. I quit chasing it around 10:00 PM as the odds of yet another "surprise" started to go up to unacceptable levels. The Fed is out lying again too, although yesterday they were playing the part of Bully instead. Never mind that the right move was clearly to let Bear go down. But that would expose the truth - there are trillions of dollars in interlocked derivatives, none of which have been marked to anything but dreams and lies, and were they to be forced to actually have to be paid off via specific performance the dominoes would begin to fall. The final "washout" will eventually come, and by delaying this day The Fed is in fact doing much damage to our economy and nation. They "sticksaved" with the surprise "Burn the Shorts" OpEx morning discount cut. In point of fact none of these "sticksaves" will solve the problem because the problem is that there is no truth in the balance sheets of these financial institutions and until there is, we will not find the bottom, nor be at the end of this mess. As I have repeatedly said we can do this the difficult way or the easy way. The easy way is for The Fed and regulators to force all these banks to mark their "assets" to the market and eat whatever may come, take all off-balance sheet games back onto the balance sheet, and clean house. The difficult way is for confidence to continue to evaporate and these "bank runs" - what dumped Bear Stearns into the Hudson - will continue, firm by firm, until we find out the hard way. The problem with "The Hard Way" is that if The Fed and regulators choose this path we could literally see most of our large financial institutions taken to the woodshed and cleaned out just as Bear was, because there is no reason for investors and creditors to trust people when they have reason to believe they are lying! A warning to those who think this is a "buying opportunity" - what happened to Bear Stearns could quite easily extend to virtually EVERY SINGLE MAJOR INVESTMENT AND NATIONAL BANK WITH "MARK TO MODEL" AND "MARK TO LIE" EXPOSURES. This is precisely why what The Fed has been doing since AUGUST is foolhardy and ultimately self-destructive to its own balance sheet. Had Bernanke stood up in AUGUST and told The Street that he was NOT going to keep providing whiskey to the drunks having DTs until they DETOXED we would have had a huge washout in the equity markets back then, but we would know where the bodies are and confidence would be orders of magnitude higher than it is now. The Fed now has hard proof that their strategy - that is, every time the market starts to collapse there is some sort of "sticksave" intervention, rather than addressing the root cause of the problem, has FAILED. It CANNOT SUCCEED because the fact of the matter is that this is not about liquidity. It is about solvency and LIES, which The Fed is ENABLING, just like a drunk's spouse continues to enable the boozing by refilling the fridge with beer whenever it gets empty! You'd think that "Mr Student Of The Depression" would know that the root cause of The Depression was precisely this - that people lost confidence in the system and simply said "no mas!" 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Should foreign investors continue to flee that cost could more than double, instantly wiping out the ability to fund 15% of The Federal Budget - for instance, all of Medicare's funding ability could disappear overnight. Or even better, spend $500 and go out to Washington DC, or to a campaign event, and tell all of them up front that this issue must be addressed right now, not after the election. We absolutely must force transparency into our financial system - today. Get the "stagflation" or "hyperinflation" nonsense being paraded about by many "pundits" out of your noodle right now. We are in the middle of a huge deleveraging and all of the excess credit that has been created over the last 10 years is disappearing in a poof of electrons. That is the definition of DEFLATION and The Fed is powerless to stop it so long as they continue to allow the lying and obfuscation to continue. 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