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9/8     So err, how many of you computer SCIENTISTS think it would be
        hunky dory to have a VP that wants to teach creationism in our
        schools?
        \_ How many of you computer SCIENTISTS have figured out this is a
           completely untrue smear?
        \_ Yeah, she so crazy! "I don't think there should be a prohibition
           against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part
           of the curriculum," she said.
           \_ "I am a proponent of teaching both."
              \_ http://csua.org/u/mai
                 Basically, she doesn't seem to care.  There was an argument,
                 she said, "Heck, teach both."  When peope didn't like that,
                 she said something along the lines of "nevermind."  It's
                 pretty disingenous to claim she "wants to teach creationism
                 in schools."
                 \_ It's also disingenuous to pretend that "teaching both" is
                    reasonable debate and not simply pushing mythology (and
                    Xian cosmogony). Palin:
                    "It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out
                     there. They gain information just by being in a
                     discussion."
                    That's Intelligent Design, and it's not a theory, it's
                    mythology.
                    \_ Sure, and I agree with you.  So what?  She hasn't
                       pushed it, and seems to have no real interest in the
                       question.
                       \_ It's a tough nut as well. ID is a joke, but "teach
                          both" sounds fair until you look hard into it.
        \_ No one will accuse her of being an intellectual pinhead.  She's
           vocally pro abstinence only sex ed in schools (HA HA HA HA), she
                   \_ No she's not, she very clearly said she's for teaching
                      birth control as well as abstinence in schools.
           claimed that we are in Iraq as part of God's plan (I can almost
                                                \_ No she didn't
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs _/
                \_ Yah, I've seen the video.  She didn't say what you think she
                   said.
           give her a break since she didn't write her convention election
           speech, but I bet Obama and Biden wrote theirs).  Her whole
                       \_ Show the evidence that *any* of the speakers at
                          either convention wrote their own speech.
           denying wanting funding for the Bridge To Nowhere is odd, since..
           that is demonstratably false.  I have some relatives up near '\
           the bridge to nowhere', the press never mentions that it's actually
           that is demonstratably false.  I have some relatives up near
           the bridge to nowhere', the press never mentions that it's actually
           not to nowhere, it's to an island that has an airport that is
           used by the entire area.   It's a complete pain to take the ferry
           from the airplane island to the mainland,  Everyone for hundreds
           of miles uses the airport.  It's actually quite handy.
           \_ "everyone for 100s of miles" up there is 300 people.
              \_ There's a lot of oil/gas/fishing industry up there.
                 You could make a case that they should have just built their
                 own bridge if it was so important.
        \_ http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
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Go to Google News Palin has not pushed creation science as governor By DAN JOLING - 6 days ago ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- As a candidate for governor, Sarah Palin called for teaching creationism alongside evolution in public schools. But after Alaska voters elected her, Palin, now Republican John McCain's presidential running mate, kept her campaign pledge to not push the idea in the schools. As for her personal views on evolution, Palin has said, "I believe we have a creator." But she has not made clear whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact. "I'm not going to pretend I know how all this came to be," she has been quoted as saying. McCain said during a debate last year that he believed in evolution when it came to the origin of life. When asked during a televised debate in 2006 about evolution and creationism, Palin said, according to the Anchorage Daily News: "Teach both. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. In a subsequent interview with the Daily News, Palin said discussion of alternative views on the origins of life should be allowed in Alaska classrooms. "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum," she said. "It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out there. Creationism is the belief that the Earth and its creatures were created by a deity. It's an alternative to the origin of life explanation taught in public schools under the theory of evolution, which puts forth that all living organisms descended from a common ancestral gene pool. Palin said during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign that if she were elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum, or look for creationism advocates when she appointed board members. "But," he added, "I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also." Palin's children attend public schools and Palin has made no push to have creationism taught in them. Neither have Palin's socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska's chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans. "She has basically ignored social issues, period," said Gregg Erickson, an economist and columnist for the Alaska Budget Report.
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Printer Friendly Version Sliming Palin September 8, 2008 False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate. Summary We've been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain's running mate, Gov. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." We'll be looking into other charges in an e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis. Correction: In our original story, we incorrectly said that a few of the claims we examine here were included in the e-mail by Kilkenny. Only one of the claims - about the librarian's firing - was similar to an item in that e-mail. Analysis Since Republican presidential nominee John McCain tapped Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, information about Palin's past has been zipping around the Internet. Several claims are not true, and other rumors are misleading. No Cut for "Special Needs" Kids It's not true, as widely reported in mass e-mails, Web postings and at least one mainstream news source, that Palin slashed the special education budget in Alaska by 62 percent. As a woman who is now a mother to a special needs child, and I think she actually has a nephew which is autistic as well. How much of a problem is this going to be as she tries to navigate both sides of that issue? Such a move might have made Palin look heartless or hypocritical in view of her convention-speech pledge to be an advocate for special needs children and their families. But in fact, she increased special needs funding so dramatically that a representative of local school boards described the jump as "historic." legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding. It would increase spending on what Alaska calls "intensive needs" students (students with high-cost special requirements) from $26,900 per student in 2008 to $73,840 per student in 2011. That almost triples the per-student spending in three fiscal years. Palin's original proposal, according to the Anchorage Daily News, would have increased funds slightly more, giving intensive needs students a $77,740 allotment by 2011. Education Week: A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development. Unlike many other states, Alaska has relatively flush budget coffers, thanks to a rise in oil and gas revenues. Funding for schools will remain fairly level next year, however. Overall per-pupil funding across the state will rise by $100, to $5,480, in fiscal 2009. Carl Rose, the executive director of the Association of Alaska School Boards, praised the changes in funding for rural schools and students with special needs as a "historic event," and said the finance overhaul would bring more stability to district budgets. According to Eddy Jeans at the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development, funding for special needs and intensive needs students has increased every year since Palin entered office, from a total of $203 million in 2006 to a projected $276 million in 2009. Those who claim that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent are looking in the wrong place and misinterpreting what they find there. They point to an apparent drop in the Department of Education and Early Development budget for special schools. But the special schools budget, despite the similar name, isn't the special needs budget. "The special needs funding is provided through our public school funding formula. The special schools is simply a budget component where we have funding set aside for special projects," such as the Alaska School for the Deaf and the Alaska Military Youth Academy. A different budget component, the Foundation Program, governs special needs programs in the public school system. And in any case, the decrease in funding for special schools is illusory. ChalleNGe program, a residential military school program that teaches job and life skills to students under 20, out of the budget line for "special schools" and into its own line. This resulted in an apparent drop of more than $5 million in the special schools budget with no actual decrease in funding for the programs. Not a Book Burner One accusation claims then-Mayor Palin threatened to fire Wasilla's librarian for refusing to ban books from the town library. Some versions of the rumor come complete with a list of the books that Palin allegedly attempted to ban. and many of the books on the list that Palin supposedly wanted to censor weren't even in print at the time, proving that the list is a fabrication. The librarian was fired, but was told only that Palin felt she didn't support her. The librarian never claimed that Palin threatened outright to fire her for refusing to ban books. It's true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla's librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin "was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can't be in the library." Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons' position would change if residents were picketing the library. Palin described her questions to Emmons as "rhetorical," noting that her questions "were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city." "), so Palin probably meant to describe her questions as hypothetical or theoretical. We can't read minds, so it is impossible for us to know whether or not Palin may actually have wanted to ban books from the library or whether she simply wanted to know how her new employees would respond to an instruction from their boss. It is worth noting that, in an update, the Frontiersman points out that no book was ever banned from the library's shelves. Palin initially requested Emmons' resignation, along with those of Wasilla's other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to a widely circulated e-mail from Kilkenny, "city residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter." As we've noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don't know if Emmons' resistance to Palin's questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons' firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all. There simply isn't any evidence that we can find either way. Palin did re-hire Emmons the following day, saying that she now felt she had the librarian's backing. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned. So what about that list of books targeted for banning, which according to one widely e-mailed version was taken "from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board"? If it was, the library board should take up fortune telling. The list includes the first four Harry Potter books, none of which had been published at the time of the Palin-Emmons conversations. Florida Institute of Technology library Web page, which presents the list as "Books banned at...