9/8     here's a chance for your ranting to be useful to someone:
        assume McCain wins the election.
        Then what happens in the next 4 years?  The economy?
        Wars?  What?
        \_ We invade Iran.  US credibility continues to crater.  Dollar
           weakens further, both in terms of domestic inflation and
           relative to other currencies.  Dollar-denominated oil prices
           skyrocket, driving up prices for everything.  McCain's solution
           is to drill off-shore and in ANWAR; public pressure forces it
           to happen, but it has no effect on the economic situation.  -tom
           \_ Really, you think we are going to invade IRAN under McCain?
              You willing to bet even money on that if he wins? Cause I'm
              happy to take the other side of that bet.  Also you think the
              Dollar is going to behave differently under Obama?  Why??
              \_ McCain loves American military action, and has already
                 expressed interest in attacking Iran more than once.
                 It seems a foolish thing to bet on.
                 The dollar will tank if we don't improve our fiscal
                 situation by reducing the military and raising taxes.
                 McCain will do neither.  -tom
                 \_ I don't know, McCain opposed Bush's tax cuts.  I'd say we
                    have a better shot at fiscal solvency with McCain+Dem
                    congress than Obama+Dem congress.
                    \_ But he supports them now.
                       \_ Anything said during a campaign has zero credebility.
                          You can only trust what they actually do in office.
                          \_ While I understand where this sentiment comes
                             from (cf. "All politicians are liars"), it's a
                             dangerous basis for making poltical decisions;
                             since neither candidate _is_ President, we have
                             little to guide us on what they'll do when
                             elected apart from what they say they'll do and
                             past attempts to make good on their promises.
        \_ Confrontation with Russia.  Probably war with Iran.  Economy
           continues slow grind into dust as rest of world continues
           to lose confidence in our debt-ridden economy.  Further isolation
           as world public opinion solidifies against us and China
           takes our place as a superpower.
        \_ War with Iran requiring massive deficit spending which craters
           the economy.
        \_ Same shit that will happen when Obama is President +/- 10%. When
           will you people figure this out? D's control Congress, so whatever
           happens is on them, too. Historically things are best when
           Congress and President are from different parties, FWIW.
           \_ I have a wild irrational completely not supported by hard
              facts belief that Obama+Biden has a lower chance of completely
              fucking EVERYTHING up than McCain+Palin.  It would be difficult
              to convince me that is not true.  The more I hear Palin on the
              radio, the more I want to quit my job, liquidate my assets,
              and move to a swing state and apply myself somehow to prevent
              the upcoming calamity of McCain+Palin.  Have you heard this
              woman?