Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 51082
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9/6     Gee, looks like someone elses pastor likes to rant about America
        being struck down
        \_ But he's not an angry black man so it's ok!
        \_ Palin left that church before she took office as governor.  Obama
           stayed while his pastor was damning America for 20 years.  Do you
           see the diff?
           \_ I do.  I think it is a complete non issue for both candidates.
              ok it is kind of weird that it is one of those 'gay is a disease
              we can cure you of' churches.
        \_ Didn't Falwell and Robertson blame America for the 9/11 attacks, too?\
           I guess it is okay when a conservative pastor does this.
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Max in September 5th 2008 Larry Kroon Palin's pastor, Larry Kroon, warns God "is gonna strike out his hand against" America On July 20, 2008, the pastor of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home church, Larry Kroon, delivered a sermon called "Sin Is Personal To God." Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla, Alaska, used the book of Zephanaiah as his reference point for discussing "that great day of the Lord when God will finally bring closure to human history... According to Kroon, "all things and all people" are going to bear the brunt of God's "intense anger." Kroon placed Zephaniah in a modern context, warning that the sinful habits of Americans would invite the wrath of God. it's conceivable that He could just as easily, for example, raise up a revived, prosperous and powerful Communist Russia with a web of alliances across the Middle East. asking her audience to pray that the war in Iraq is "God's plan." When she is working in Alaska's capitol, she worships at the Juneau Christian Center, another Pentecostal church where charismatic displays like speaking in tongues and dancing in the spirit are encouraged. Palin describes herself as a "Bible-believing Christian." Palin's presence at Wasilla Bible Church has not been confirmed for the days Kroon warned of God "striking out his hand against... Scroll until you find 7-13-08 and either read the sermon or listen to the audio. You decide for yourself how accurate this article by Max is. Before coming to the assumption that this article is correct I ask you to come up with your own decisions of what Wasilla Bible Church and its Senior Pastor stand for. Media has struck Alaska harder than ever before and unfortunately sways very much towards the liberal stand point. It's just a sermon about the end of the world, and living righteously in case it happens. The mention of the destruction of Wasilla, Alaska, and the US is just to personalize the destruction of the world, and stress that there will be no exceptions. And yeah, the quote about Wasilla, Alaska and the United States are taken out of context, lifted from page three of almost eight-page sermon. Everybody needs to settle down and stop cherry-picking random sentences from sermons, Pastor Kroon's, Rev. It might also help if more folks actually paid attention to the message the sermons are trying to get across. Pastor Kroon gets there on page seven, when he asks, "What do we do?" and then offers the answer contained in Zephaniah: "Seek the Lord." " I was raised Catholic and now consider myself agnostic, but I think we all may want to contemplate the fact that all these sermons are expounding on the teachings of Jesus Christ. using the King James version, here is John 13:34: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; wright was brought up because of people's fears that obama was a black radical marxist or some idiot nonsense, and it's perfectly fair to bring up the fact that palin belongs to a church that preaches premillenial mythology because that implies just as much as wright's black liberation theology does about obama. people who were worried about wright having an input with an obama administration could watch his sermon and make up their own mind, just like i'm fully capable of listening to the sermons noted here if i'm personally worried that any preacher who attempts to use fear of the rapture as a moral guide might have input on a palin administration. make no mistake, this is radical and disturbing theology in the eyes of a large swathe of america. they might be more liberal or they might not, but they're still americans who deserve to be informed. Wright all too well, and I'm sorry you missed the satire when I wrote, "Sounds pretty liberal to me." are you arguing that we should stoop to the level of the right wing lunatic fringe? Did you hear a single word from those "good conservative Christians" at the Republican Convention about feeding the hungry or housing the homeless? Go read the Sermon on the Mount and tell me that isn't the best definition of liberal values ever written. I'll be surprised if the "liberal media" loops this pastor's sermons the same way they did Wright's. I want to see if Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly at FOX uses this as an example of some hidden radicalism in certain subcultures that reflects the judgment and ideologue of a presidential candidate. The fact that folks consider Obama some radical black Marxists -- hell, it's funny to me that the Right paints him as some extreme liberal given his timid, neoliberal/centrist record -- is beyond laughable. But the moral of the story is this: Scary black men with fire-and-brimstone condemnations of America Empire is scarier and far more sensationalistic to the public and news media than their white counterparts. Again, I'll be surprised if this gets any play in our media. blogs aren't trusted members of the mainstream media, they're run by citizens who take on the responsibility of investigative journalism that the mainstream media has shirked for so long. every bit of information deserves to be aired with palin, just as it has been with obama. that said, i sincerely doubt that the major media will pick up on this story because the christian right will scream bloody murder over the atheistic liberal media attacking american values just like always. this is a non-starter, and that's a shameful reflection of the true media bias in america. these people aren't living lives according to christ and they aren't interested in doing so. if he was up there preaching the "liberal" ideas from the bible, like accepting others and loving your brother regardless of his sins, then palin either wouldn't be attending this church or she wouldn't be the nominee for the republican party. What comes before the sentence, between the ellipsis, and after the sentence changes the meaning entirely. The only reason to title this post the way you did is to editorialize. So its the implication in the title that I think you should change -- retract was probably the wrong word. I'm an obama supporter and I think everything Wright preaches should be looked at -- as well as Palin's preacher. The problem is not that these people go to nutty churches - most people do. But that these nutty preachers have gained so much influence. Everyone in the country should be astounded that people are out there preaching any of the crap these two preachers are spreading. And that will surely distract the MSM from the real issue, assuming they can get their collective heads out of their ass, which is that Palin is utterly unqualified and McCain, in trying to pander to the extreme right wing, showed a phenomenal lack of judgment is selecting her. And Anonymous (@9:35): I don't think a blog should censor itself. I do think it should take care to get the facts right, which is something this post doesn't do. Max has twisted Pastor Kroon's message to suit his own political purpose, which is exactly what happened to Rev. Pastor Kroon may indeed be a premillennial whack job, but I don't see where his July 20th sermon contains any evidence of that. The Book of Zephaniah is your basic Old Testament fire and brimstone. Pastor Kroon used it as the foundation for the sort of salvation through Jesus sermon you can hear every Sunday in churches all over the country. In its context, it's a pretty standard fire-and-brimstone sermon. And just like the sermons in thousands of churches all over the United States. Are we to assume that Pat Robertson hates America because he said that New Orleans brought Hurricane Katrina on itself? But Jeremiah Wright is a radicalized black man instead of a radicalized white man, and the kid who found Jesus through his church rather than a white man's church is running for president. The underlying story here is not that Barack Obama or Sarah Palin or anybody else has/had an effing ridiculous pastor. If this isn't a story explosion by next week Thursday, well, then we'll know for sure: CNN, Fox News, and, yes, even MSNBC are racist networks. I mean, if you really want the theocrats to take over, that's your business. Me, I've had about my fill of those who think the Ear...