9/3 What's so bad about community organizers? From the speeches
tonight you'd think that was a euphenism for smoking reefer 24/7
\_ Since the GOP has nothing to run on, they're just running a Hate
convention.
\_ Since when has either part had anything to run on? For the
last 6 years the Dems have been running on "Bush sucks" and
and now they're running on a combination of "Bush sucks" and
HOPE! and CHANGE!
\_ Change is all you'll have if you vote for Dems! GH Bush
\_ I don't know about you, but after 8 years of Bush and the GOP,
I'm about ready for HOPE and CHANGE.
\_ There are a whole lot more ways to change something for the
bad than the good. Obama is basically running on Mcain =
Bush! Scary! Which is obvious BS.
\_ I don't think that's BS. McCain will continue the
policies of Bush/Cheney.
\_ In what way are McCain's policies different than Bush's?
\_ Federal stem cell research funding. Being able to
speak coherently.
\_ So how exactly are you worse off?
\_ Like I said, you've got nothing.
\_ Does your life suck and you're blaming it on Bush?
Dem party running against GOP: of course they're going to
claim that this is the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVAR and
that therefore due to ???? they should be elected.
The most significant changes we're talking about is stuff
is almost completely dependent on the legislators in
Congress, and not the president. i.e. the tax plan and
healthcare plan. All the other stuff is just posturing.
Do you think Russia is going to give a shit about having
a guy who wants to talk to them more? Obama's going to
use his magic inspirational charisma to bring about the
Age of Aquarius.
\_ Except Bush (or McCain) would veto the tax and
healthcare changes we need. Not to mention the energy
plan, which is a disaster under the GOP.
\_ Haha, "changes we need". Care to go into specifics
about energy?
\_ That's right, changes we need. The Bush/McCain
economic policies have been a disaster for all
but the very richest:
link:tinyurl.com/69jh74
Go read Obama's policy papers on energy, I don't
have the time or inclination to recap them here.
But they focus on conservation, not lying to the
American people about how much oil we can get
out of ANWR or some BS about "clean" coal.
\_ I don't need those changes. Hence "we" is
laughable. Obama can't shit oil. Conservation
is not a long term plan.
\_ "Conservation is not a long term plan"? What
does that even mean? Conservation is an
choice. The alternative is destruction.
Conservation alone won't save the society,
but without conservation you lose before
you even start. -tom
\_ Whatever... McCain focuses on conservation
too, and Obama's energy plan ALSO talks
about your "clean" coal. You guys are so
stupid and full of shit.
\_ McCain focuses on conservation? Is
that why he's voted against improving
fuel economy and pretty much every
other conservation initiative, pretty
much every time he's been given the
opportunity? -tom
\_ Please stop parroting left wing
blogs. I'm obviously referring to
the published "energy plans". Though
McCain has in fact supported CAFE
increases in certain forms (they
quibble about timescales). But of
course it's easy for Obama to say
he is better because after all he
has no track record to scrutinize.
By the way, stuff like CAFE is BS.
if energy self-sufficiency is a
matter of national security and
protection from foreign volatility
(and it is), then we should have a
fairly high tariff on all imported
energy (e.g. oil). We should always
have had this, and we should have
kept pushing nuclear.
\_ So you're saying that you put more
faith in a campaign promise than
you do in someone's actual
voting record? Interesting. -tom
\_ Obama voted for the '05 energy
bill. He voted for more ethanol
boondoggle, clean coal, oil and
gas subsidies. Obama voted for
the porky farm bill. That's not
a voting record I'm happy with.
\_ "We" means America here, obviously. Not what
some selfish prick in the top 1% of income
needs. We are all going into the tank if we
don't control our energy usage and our health
care expenses. Even you, I bet.
\_ I think the OP understands that GOP is bashing Obama by labeling him
as community organizer. But the questions is why community
organizer specifically. What's bad about being a community
organizer? (I wonder about the same questions.)
\_ Community and Communist differ by one letter, 'nuff said.
\_ 2 letters, actually. Go beah!
\_ That's just tit-for-tat. The Obama campaign keeps refering to
Palin as the mayor of Wasilla, so McCain calls him a community
organizer.
\_ You have your tats and your tits backwards. McCain has been
calling him that long before Palin entered the scene.
\_ Link? I hadn't noticed anyway.
\_ I see. Thx. -- PP |
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