8/22    I find Biden uninspiring
        \_ Biden was my first choice for President. I voted for Hilary in
           the primary. The Biden choice makes me likely to vote for
           Obama, even though I voted for McCain in the  2000 primary.
           So it got him at least one vote.
           \- is it because of the difference between hillary and omaba
              on some issue you are able to look past the fact that she
              clearly is a liar [this is indisputable, short of claiming
              she has clinical level psychological problems] and in my
              opinion sanctimonious, condescending and self-interested
              ["barak obama is not a muslim ... as far as i know", "barak,
              i cant believe you plagerized from deval patrick" etc].
              i liked biden when i watched him on the senate judiciary cmte
              a long time ago, then he lost me a bit, but i started to like
              him a little more lately ... i didnt pay too much attention
              to him in the debates, but i still do see him on cmte hearings
              and he did make a number of proposals w.r.t. iraq which are
              at least the starting point for decisions, unlike hillary
              who was just about triangulating and bending with the wind.
              --non voter
              \_ Did you vote for Singh's party?
              \_ All politicians are liars. I voted for Hilary, because I
                 didn't know much about Obama and I feel he is inexperienced. I
                 prefer the devil I know to the devil I don't know.
                 \- all politics may be about compromise, but all politcians
                    are not liars. and even if in some senses that is true,
                    broad comments like "all pols are corrupt, liars, all
                    the same" are not meaningful and are just naive. the std
                    example of this is "do you really believe if ALGOR was
                    elected we'd be in the iraq fiasco"? do you believe
                    all exaggerations on a resume are the same? "expert c++"
                    when your coding chops are only so-so != "i have an MBA
                    from harvard" when you dont". the examples i gave
                    above are the "beyond the pale" examples. i didnt include
                    cases like hilary trying to link obama to the weather
                    underground and including the line "people died, barak".
                    yes, i didnt expect her to volunteer bill clinton pardoned
                    some members of the WU for "full disclosure" and maybe the
                    fact that nobody actually died was an "honest but
                    convenient" mistake [i cant remember if really nobody
                    died or one of the WU people got themselves killed], but
                    the example above [and the bosnian sniper episode]
                    admit no charitable explanation. those deserve the
                    political death penalty.
                    \_ Eh. It doesnt bother me as much as it apparently
                       bothers you.