8/11 Anyone have thoughts about what the US should do about Georgia?
\_ Annex it as Georgia II.
\_ Not much I'm afraid. Especially since Georgia seems to have
started it. Russia was fomenting the battle, but when Russia
is itching to attack you, don't give it an excuse!
\_ Russia moved troops into Georgia, not the other way around.
Doesn't seem fair to say Georgia started it.
\_ You're right, that's quite right. But Georgia attacked
seperatists Russia was more or less explicity supporting,
and Russia has been itching to attack, because they want to
show off how "strong" they are. Georgia didn't exactly start
it, but they did walk into a pretty well marked trap.
\_ Agreed. Don't walk into that trap until after you actually
join NATO. -- !OP
\_ I'm not sure I'd support them then, unless they cleared
it with NATO first. This is pretty similar to the sort
of BS that started WWI. -pp
\_ So because they didn't let Russia simply annex South
Ossetia, it's their fault?
\_ I don't know enough about the situation to say. I've
heard a number of contradictory claims. But better to
lose one province than a whole country. -pp
PS: I'm not sure fault is interesting in this case,
since the question isn't really moral. We know the
Russians are currently in imperialist dictatorship mode.
Certainly attacking is the Russians 'fault'. But does
that matter? Do you want to get involved?
\_ Georgia is a good friend of the US, is our primary
flight path to Afghanistan, and has an oil pipeline
that carries 1 million barrels of oil per day.
\_ So, it that a 'yes I'd like to get in a war with
Russia,' or what?
\_ It's a "I think we might have to"
\_ Don't be stupid. Russia would crush us if
tried to intervene here. 1M of oil is not
enough to risk WWWIII over.
\_ Mark my words: if no one stops Russia
now (or at least steps up to face them
via sanctions and condemnations),
Russia _will_ reconstitute the USSR.
\_ Okay, I will mark them. I think you are
wrong, but we will find out in a few
years. I am curious, do you think
\_ Okay, I will mark them. I think you
are wrong, but we will find out in a
few years. I am curious, do you think
Russia will invade Lithuania? Because
I don't think so. Can you tell us
how your other motd.prections have
worked out so far?
\_ Lithuania: no. Belarussia: perhaps.
Ukraine: perhaps. My predictions
on the motd so far: haven't tracked
them. Bet: $1 to you if Russia
doesn't annex Belarussia or
Ukraine (or Georgia) within 5
years.
\_ If the only country they annex
is Georgia, that hardly qualifies
as "reconstituting the USSR" now
does it. They would have to annex
all or at least most of their
former colonies, right? I
actually think that Russia will
only annex South Osseta and
only annex South Ossetia and
leave Georgia after they have
been "taught a lesson." Within
a few weeks, at most.
\_ I'm trying to make the bet
measurable in terms of
winning; reconstituted USSR
may take more than five
years.
\_ How are you defining that
term? Do you really see
East Germany and Poland
returning to Russian
control, on any timeframe?
-tom
\_ A fair question. No,
I'd define this as
core elements, not
satellite clients like
E. Germany, Poland,
Czechoslovakia, or the
Baltics.
\_ A Russian general yesterday said Poland is opening itself to
nuclear attack with a 100 percent possibility if it continues
to host American base. kewl!!!!!!!!!!
\_ Damn! Maybe I should have included the Satellites in the bet! |
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