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2008/7/18-23 [Reference/BayArea] UID:50619 Activity:low
7/18    San Francisco, America's most walkable city:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/64unjx (SF Gate)
        \_ There's no way it's more walkable than Manhatten.
           \_ Manhattan is not a city.
            \_ You ever live there?  Comparing SF to all the boroughs is
               bullshit.  Maybe if you want to include Alameda county and
               south down to oh, maybe Sunnyvale?
               \_ It may be bullshit, but that's how the definition works.
                  Argue with the authors, not the posters. -!op|pp
                  \_ If someone creates a bullshit stat you should ignore it.
                     SF is very walkable and is a great city, but using "city"
                     is broken if it doesn't let you count Manhatten without,
                     say, Staten Island.  (Here's a hint, you address letters
                     to NYC residents and put the borough name where the city
                     goes.  Each borough has a "Borough Hall" ala city hall.
                     Each borough is a seperate county, in CA that can't happen
                     in one city.  They are pretty damn close to cities.)
                     \_ And yet not cities. New Yorkers want NYC to be a
                        single city when counting things like population
                        and separate cities when it is convenient to treat
                        it like so.
                     \_ I can address a letter to "Venice Beach" and it
                        gets there, but no one would think of VB as
                        anything but a neighborhood of LA.
           \_ I actually think it is, if you include the effect of weather,
              which the publishers did not. It is often too hot or too cold
              to really walk in Manhattan, almost never true in SF.
              \_ Good point about weather, but I've been in SF plenty of
                 times where it was too cold to walk. SF is a freezing
                 cold city with lots of wind, hence Mark Twain's quote.
                 Not as cold as NYC or Boston, but not exactly San Diego.
                 \_ Dude, you are a wuss. It never even gets below freezing
                    in San Francisco. Just wear a jacket. It can suck to
                    walk in the rain though, especially when the wind is
                    blowing, but that is 30 days or less out of the
                    year.
                    \_ Bone chilling wind is often worse than snow.
                 \_ The quote is misattributed to Twain.
        \_ Once again, why would you want to walk with a bunch of smelly
           homeless, drug dealers, and hippies?
           \_ Once again, you don't know shit about San Francisco.
              \_ I know enough that I'd rather live in a nice suburb than
                 in the city.
                 \_ You live in a nice walkable suburb? Which one? How
                    many times have you even been in San Francisco?
                    \_ Why do you have to walk to enjoy life?   -op
                    \_ I'd say Berkeley is a nice walkable suburb. Well,
                       a walkable suburb anyway.
        \_ The bottom 5 cities still score higher than the most walkable
           cities in Orange County. Irvine, for example.
        \_ They didn't take hills into account.  Or crime or panhandling.
         \_ Crime is pretty damn low in SF, and panhandling is pretty
            ignorable.  I'll give you that if you have to walk through
            someplace like nob hill that the hills really do suck.
            \_ Crime in SF is low compared to come cities, but in terms of
               crimes committed per 100,000 people it is higher than the
               national average for murder, robbery, assault, burglary,
               theft, and auto theft. It is lower in number of rapes.
               Comparing directly to Los Angeles, SF has a lot more
               robberies, burglaries, and thefts. It has fewer assaults
               and rapes. Murder rate is almost the same. That's got to
               burst your bubble of viewing SF as being "safe" because I live
               in LA and I would never call it "safe". For fun, I compared
               SF to NYC:
               http://tinyurl.com/6lf6n3
               Surprisingly (?), NYC is far more safe than SF.
               \_ If you lived here, you would know that the overwhelming
                  majority of crime in SF happens south of 280, which is
                  an area most people avoid, if they even know it exits
                  at all. Most of the rest happens in the Mission and the
                  Tenderloin, so it is very easy to avoid the small high
                  crime neighborhoods, if you are so inclinded. Auto theft
                  happens everywhere, but this does not effect walking.
                  \_ Crime only happens in the bad areas. Well, duh. "Safe"
                     cities don't *HAVE* those really bad areas. That's
                     why they are "safe" - unlike San Francisco, which has
                     some really bad areas that are still considered part
                     of San Francisco even though I'm sure you think no
                     one from those areas ever leaves them for any reason.
                     You don't think NYC has bad areas, too? And yet it's
                     much safer than SF.
                     \_ Every city in the US has some high crime areas.
                     \_ Every big city in the US has some high crime areas.
                        Currently, NYC is doing a great job of combatting
                        crime, and I have to give them credit for that.
                        This is a relatively new phenomenea.
                        This is a relatively new phenomena.
                        \_ It is. However, SF is still above the national
                           average in terms of crime and you can't
                           cherrypick the nice areas to say otherwise. We
                           could cherrypick the nice areas of every city
                           if it worked that way.
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preview.tinyurl.com/64unjx -> www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/17/MN3J11Q3N8.DTL&type=realestate
com, a service designed to help those seeking a less automobile-dependent life. The distinction encompasses a host of environmental, health and economic advantages. WalkScore, a division of Seattle software company Front Seat, evaluated the 40 largest US cities based on residents' proximity to grocery stores, coffee shops, restaurants, movie theaters and other amenities. Hills were not taken into account in the rankings, just distance and concentration. San Francisco scored an 86 out of 100, besting New York's 83 and Boston's 79. Seventeen of San Francisco's neighborhoods ranked 90 or above - considered a "walker's paradise" - including Chinatown, the Mission, Nob Hill and Haight-Ashbury. "That says that San Francisco isn't just isolated pockets of walkability, but broad swaths," said Mike Mathieu, chairman and founder of Front Seat. It means it's easier to get around, even with the hills." 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tinyurl.com/6lf6n3 -> sanfrancisco.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=San+Francisco&s1=CA&c2=New+York&s2=NY
Therefore, no arson statistics are used in a comparitive manner. Population is based on the agencies participating in the reporting.