7/16    Support air-drying laundry.  Save energy.
        http://www.laundrylist.org
        \_ I just learned that a friend's home owner's association has a rule
           against drying laundry outside, even in your backyard.  I'm still
           flabbergasted by this.
           \_ Why? Some won't even let you keep your garage door open
              longer than it takes to put your car in.
           \_ Most HOA's do.  This is one of many activities associated with
              poor folks, that are perceieved as lowering property values.
           \_ Banning this in front yards I can understand.  But backyards?
           \_ Banning this in frontyards I can understand.  But backyards?
           \_ Some HOAs don't even let you keep your garage door open for
              longer than it takes to park your car.
              \_ Is this for lowering auto theft rate?  If not, I'd think
                 leaving doors open on garages with Porsches and Mercedes
                 inside would raise property values.
                 \_ No, it's because the inside of garages is usually
                    cluttered with junk. BTW, my old neighbor used to park his
                    new Porsche on his lawn. Talk about conflicting statements.
              \_ So, I figure a lack of HOA add $20,000 or so to the value of
                 the house.  Any opinions?
                 \_ I don't know, but a lack of HOA fees probably adds value.
                 \_ depends on HOA amount... but do some math
           \_ Rule #632 why you should never buy a condo - stuffy HOAs
              telling you what to do.
              \_ HOA is not limited to condos.
                 \_ Don't most new suburban developments these days have
                    HOAs?
                    \_ Yes it is very true. Take a look at the Rosedale
                       Community in Azusa. You have 2 HOAs. One is the North
                       HOA at $150, and the other one is the South HOA at
                       about $150. Then there is Mello-Roos that jacks your
                       property tax to about 1.75%, because the state of
                       CA no longer can pay for new schools in that new
                       area. We're talking about "cheap" homes between
                       $450K to $750K.
                        http://www.rosedaleazusa.com/community
                       New SFH today have HOAs in addition to Mello-Roos.
                       I'm talking about S Cal. N Cal doesn't seem to have
                       that type of shit, presumably because it's regulated
                       growth so no need to rebuild schools/pipes/wires.
                       \_ ^regulated growth^farther from Mexico^
                          \_ what does Mehico have anything to do with this?
                             \_ Rub your two brain cells together and you
                                will figure it out.
                                \_ I get it, you think IMMIGRANTS cause all
                                   the problems that S Cal has. Yes immigrants
                                   are bad GO BACK HOME IMMIGRANTS!
                                   \_ ILLEGAL immigrants are hard to plan
                                      for and regulate.