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7/14    Knife crime: 60/day in UK
        http://tinyurl.com/6ytub5 [telegraph]
        Prime minister says theyr'e going to do something about it.
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7502569.stm  [bbc]
        \_ Gun deaths: 80/day in the US.
           Gun crime: 1300/day.
        \_ It would be worse if assault knives were legal
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tinyurl.com/6ytub5 -> www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/2298646/Knife-crime-claims-60-victims-a-day.html
Have Your Say More than 20,000 serious knife crimes were committed last year, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal. Some knives recently taken during a step up in police stop and searches HEATHCLIFF O'MALLEY Six people died in knife attacks in a 24-hour period last week They show that almost 60 people are stabbed or mugged at knife-point every day. A quarter-by-quarter breakdown suggests that the offending has accelerated over the course of the year, fuelling fears that the problem is getting worse. Opposition politicians described the tally as "shocking" and last night demanded action from ministers. advertisement Six people died in knife attacks in a 24-hour period last week, leading to an unprecedented statement from Scotland Yard aimed at reassuring the public. Among the victims was Melvin Bryan, an 18-year-old who became the 42nd teenager killed in Britain this year and the 20th in London. Gordon Brown called Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, to Chequers yesterday, for urgent talks. The Prime Minister urged the Scotland Yard chief to make full use of new police powers to make pubs and clubs search customers for knives and guns. On Tuesday, Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, will publish her Youth Crime Action Plan. It includes a proposal to make young offenders visit casualty wards to examine knife wounds in an attempt to shock them into mending their ways. Two days later, she will unveil the police figures on knife crime. The Sunday Telegraph has obtained data from 33 of the 43 forces in England and Wales, covering more than four-fifths of the population. The figures show that 20,803 serious knife crimes were recorded in the year to March, or 56 per day. Allowing for forces that did not provide figures, the nationwide total is expected to be about 25,000. If Scotland and Northern Ireland attacks were included, it would be even higher. The count includes only murders, stabbings where blood is spilt, and knife-point muggings. If less-serious crimes such as threats or illegal possession were included, the figures would be much higher. Worst-affected were big urban areas - London, Manchester, the West Midlands, West Yorkshire and Merseyside. Until now, police have counted crimes by the offence - such as assault, robbery or burglary - rather than by the weapon used. Annual totals have included about 100,000 robberies, 20,000 serious woundings and 800 murders. Among the serious knife crimes counted in the new measures, about half are robberies; the other half are murders, attempted murders and woundings. Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: "Most people will be shocked to find that knife crime has reached 20,000 cases a year. This illustrates the need to get police back on our streets by cutting the bureaucratic burden on them. There should be a presumption to imprison those caught with knives in excess of three inches in length without reasonable justification." The figures come as the parents of Jimmy Mizen, the 13th teenager to be killed in London this year, said in an interview with The Sunday Telegraph that they hoped the death of their son would become a catalyst to solve the problem of street violence. Ms Smith's plan will set out proposals for "knife referral projects" which will attempt to re-educate people convicted of carrying knives via hospital visits and meetings with victims and prison inmates. The 100 million package of measures, to be tried in eight areas, will also include "youth forums" and street-based youth workers to steer young people away from crime, and the extension of a scheme that removes children from the streets late at night. Councils will be urged to close under-age drinking dens and shops selling knives to children. Young offenders handed community sentences will be told to turn up at inconvenient times, including Friday evenings and Saturdays, while parents could be made to attend court if their child is charged with an offence. Ms Smith said: "I am absolutely shocked at the tragic and senseless loss of life we have seen recently. I want to reassure everyone that the Government is taking the issue of knife crime very seriously." But Harry Fletcher, the assistant general secretary of the National Association of Probation Officers, called the plan a "damp squib". More on: Law and order > COMMENTS - 161 1 Posted by Phillip Sandusky on July 14, 2008 08:06 PM Any people that will trade a little freedom, for a little safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety. England went down a wrong road when they allowed their government to take away their firearms. A lesson from history: "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" And some truthisms: "Any government that would attempt to disarm its people is despotic; and any people that would submit to it deserve to be slaves!" And now England is in the throws of a knife crime epidemic with no protection and no freedom to defend themselves. Report this comment 3 Posted by Baron Laurence de Quietzapple - securite et liberte! on July 14, 2008 02:42 PM Deeply regrettable that so many trotskyite committees have bothered to post here, don't they realise that pretending to be Col Blimp's nastier younger neo-nasty sister only encourages the real article? Report this comment 4 Posted by fsilber on July 14, 2008 02:23 PM The presumption behind gun control is that it was much more difficult to murder someone using a knife. If it is true, then be glad that people are being attacked with knives -- it means that your gun control is working. Ultimately, you either have to eliminate the criminals (one way or another), or decide on what _will_ be the approved method of murder. Report this comment 5 Posted by Baron Laurence de Quietzapple - securite et liberte! on July 14, 2008 11:31 AM Deeply regrettable that so many trotskyite committees have bothered to post here, don't they realise that pretending to be Col Blimp's nastier younger neo-nasty sister only encourages the real article? Report this comment 6 Posted by David Hawk on July 14, 2008 11:15 AM For "fedupandenglish" we do NOT have the same problem with knife crime here in New Zealand. It is a fact that parts of our three major cities are relatively unsafe but, particularly in Auckland, if our Pacific Island immigrants were sent home our crime rate would fall by at least 75%. Oh, and incidentally, we have one of the highest rates of firearms ownership in the world and one of the lowest rates of firearms crime anywhere - go figure. Report this comment 7 Posted by Dan on July 14, 2008 08:03 AM Allow law abiding citizens to conceal and carry guns. This is a deterrent to the thugs who have no qualms about attacking people they know to be unarmed. Report this comment 9 Posted by Ken Latter on July 14, 2008 07:28 AM Oh the arrogance of this 'government' who just assume that victims of stabbings and the bereaved families will necessarily wish to be used as 'exhibits' for shaming young thugs. Just because the Home Office get an idea, which they don't think through, they believe that all such victims and families will be willing, or SHOULD be willing to become exhibits. Some may, some may not, but having at least some, is central to this new 'initiative' of this crowd in power. In the past they exhibitedthe insane in Bedlam as an entertainment. Of course there will be some victims and families who will be willing to participate in this new idea, but they should only be exposed to the thugs after the thugs have suffered the first shock of the first week in prison. Without that, exposure to the results of their behaviour will be purposeless. Mike McNamara on July 14, 2008 07:28 AM 20,000 knife crimes in one years. What a good job the Labour Party/Government has done in running this country down, lack of respect, rising crime, care of the criminal, over the victim. It really is time for this sad and pointless lot of idiots to get out! Mark Yannone on July 14, 2008 06:30 AM England's gun ban accomplished two things: The law-abiding were disarmed, which ...
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Printable version Brown pledge to tackle stabbings Gordon Brown Mr Brown said he had spoken to Met chief Sir Ian Blair Measures to tackle knife crime will be announced next week following recent stabbings in London and the Midlands, the prime minister has said. Gordon Brown said the attacks - which are not linked - were "shocking and tragic". He promised a cross-government youth crime plan would be published. On Thursday four men were stabbed to death in London and a fifth died after a stabbing in West Bromwich. A man stabbed in north-west London on Friday remains critically ill. In a written statement Mr Brown said he had spoken to Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair about the stabbings in London. "I know the police are doing everything in their power to bring those responsible to justice," he said. "The terrible stabbings that have occurred this week are shocking and tragic, and my thoughts are with the families and friends of those who have been hurt or killed in these attacks," he added. Timeline: Four deaths in one day He said the youth crime plan, which the government had been working on over recent months, would include new enforcement measures, improvements to sentencing. A "new approach to youth crime prevention" would involve "tough parenting programmes targeted on areas with the most problems," he said. "We will continue to make absolutely clear that carrying a knife is unacceptable in our society," he said. On Thursday a 19-year-old was killed in an attack in Edmonton, north London, while two men in their 20s died a few miles away in Leyton and Walthamstow, east London. A man aged 42 was found fatally wounded in Tottenham High Road, Tottenham, north London. The day saw further fatal stabbings in West Bromwich in the West Midlands and Crosby, Merseyside. He was left critically ill with wounds to his back and stomach after a stabbing in Brenthurst Road, Willesden. Last year the Metropolitan Police recorded 160 homicides - about three every week. To have four fatal stabbings in one day could be a statistical freak, said BBC correspondent Andy Tighe. Knife crime is mainly concentrated in Britain's cities and in London it has been falling, just as murder and manslaughter have also declined. We live in a greedy culture, we are rude to each other in the street. Children follow that Sir Alan Steer Government advisor and headteacher Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Tim Godwin said: "I would hate anyone to think that all young people in London carry knives. "We stopped 32,000 people in the main areas where we have concerns based on our intelligence. Out of those 32,000 searches, we've found 730 knives - so that's 2 in 100." Home Office Minister Tony McNulty said there is a "stubborn residual of violent crime, including knives, around particularly some of our young people that is on an upward trend". A Conservative Party spokeswoman said: "David Cameron outlined plans on Monday that would see a presumption to jail those caught carrying knives. "This would upgrade the current system, which sees those caught with knives being let off with just a fine" Criminologist Marian Fitzgerald told the BBC the police, politicians and the media only now seemed to be waking up to a problem which has been escalating since the mid-1990s. "The fear is that the attention that it's now getting may almost be leading to a sort of copycat effect," she said. Ms Fitzgerald - a visiting professor of Criminology at the University of Kent's Crime and Justice Centre - said this could be compounding what she called the "long-run rise in serious violence" in the UK. Sir Alan Steer, headteacher of Seven Kings High School in Ilford, east London, said adults needed to set a better example if they want to halt the rise in gun and knife crime among teenagers. "Sometimes as adults we don't model the behaviour we want youngsters to follow," he told The Guardian. "We live in a greedy culture, we are rude to each other in the street. Earlier this week Gordon Brown insisted ministers would take "any legislative measures" necessary to tackle knife crime. The prime minister has argued that anyone over 16 caught with an illegal knife should be prosecuted, rather than escaping with a caution. Advertise with us BBC MMVIII The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites. This page is best viewed in an up-to-date web browser with style sheets (CSS) enabled. While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. Please consider upgrading your browser software or enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so.