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| 2008/7/5-10 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:50475 Activity:high |
7/4 Jesse Helms is dead. Too bad he didn't die in pain: maybe
God is Conservative afterall. At least he gave America a good
present on this 231st birthday of ours.
\_ 232nd. And thanks for showing the example of all
that is wrong with politics today.
\_ I'm not a fan of cheering death, but I'm
willing to make an exception for someone
as dispicable as Jesse Helms. It is at
times like this when I wished I believed in
hell.
\_ Yay, you rejoice in someone's death because
of their different opinion!
\_ No, Helms was a monster. Do you think
we should be respectful of Saddam
Hussein too? Sometimes the world is
better off without people. !pp
\_ Ooh! The new godwin. Helms didn't
dip people in vats of acid for fun.
\_ He would have if he'd gotten away
with it. Look, this asshole made
life really difficult for a lot
of people simply just because he
hated them. His passing is a
blessing, and the world is
better off without him. Sorry,
but it's the truth. Your moral
relativism isn't welcome here.
\_ Yah, you're right, a legislator
who has opinions you disagree
with is just as bad as a
murderous dictator!
\_ Helms fought hard to make
federal funds for needle
exchanges illegal. Because
of him needle addicts in
this country have
attrociously high AIDS
rates. In most other
countries public health
was considered more important
and the governemnts made
needle exchange programs
a priority as soon as the
dangers were apparent. Hell
even Thather realized that
was important. Forgetting
Helms rampant racism and
homopobia, his close
friendship with Pinochet
(so close the FBI were pretty
sure Helms tipped Pinochet
off when the CIA were going
after him), that alone
makes him a horrid little
man. Helms wasn't just
a politician I disagreed
with, he was an evil man.
Fuck him, his death was
welcome.
\_ Why is it the government's
job to fund needle
exchanges?
Why didn't you fund them
yourself?
Needle sharers getting AIDS
have only themselves to
blame. Or maybe you.
\_ It's the government's job
to try to contain
epidemics. Needle
exchange is cheap and
effective and a no
brainer. And even if
you think all junkies
should just die, they
will spread AIDS to
others. Oh, and
fuck you.
\_ AIDS does not meet the
criteria for an
epidemic spread, it
meets the spread
criteria for an
occupational disease
(like black lung).
But you know, don't
let facts get in the
way. In fact, the
handling of black
lung is a good model
for how we should be
handling AIDS.
-- ilyas
\_ "facts," eh?
According to
Duesberg?
/------------------/
How stupid are you? I am not claiming
HIV doesn't cause AIDS, I am claiming
AIDS does not behave like an epidemic
disease, it behaves like an occupational
disease. -- ilyas
\_ According to who?
\_ A disease that isn't
communicated except by
sticking needles in
yourself or having sex
isn't an epidemic.
\_ Or by being raped,
or by being born
to a woman who is
HIV+, and some
people don't have
any choice about
needles being
stuck into them,
such as in
hemophilia and
accidental health
care related
needlesticks.
\_ Needle exchs
won't stop that.
Do you have proof
it would? These
people do not
give a fuck. If
it's not needles
they'll probably
have u.sex. I do
think govt should
probably just let
people acquire
supplies legally,
and drugs too
actually, in a
structured way
to try to neuter
drug gangs.
Preventing public health _/
epidemics is one of THE most
things government does. Cheap,
painless, effective prevention
should always be prioritized over
moralizing about personal choices.
Yes, the government should try
to prevent addiction, however
the reality is there are addicts,
and those addicts are getting AIDS
via needles. It took over a decade
for enough states to start needle
sharing for it to make a difference
where if there wasn't the HELMS
AMENDMENT (see it even has his name)
we could have had serious needle
exchange programs within a year.
Programs that would have paid for
themselves 1000x times over in
almost no time by preventing
expensive AIDS care and loss of
productivity.
\_ right, because
the solution
to every
problem which
confronts our
society is
less
government.
We get it.
\_ AIDS via needle sharing is not
a public health epidemic.
Isn't it paradoxical to have
criminalized drug use and yet
on the other hand support them
with a needle exchange program?
I'd rather just legalize it
all.
\_ legalizing it would make
the public health problem
and the need for needle
exchange problems even more
acute. -tom
\_ No, because right now you
can't get needles legally.
They need to share needles
because they don't have
enough needles because the
government prevents them
from getting them without
a prescription. So now
you want a government
program to let people
exchange the needles they
do (illegally) have which
doesn't increase the # of
needles (and requires
participants to expose
themselves to arrest.
If you make them exchange
1 for 1, then they'll still
share. If you don't, then
you'll get used needles
being littered around.
The focus should be
on safe practices to
prevent nurses from
infecting themselves,
safe sex, finding an
actual cure, and getting
people off injection drugs.
Legalized drug distribution
in safe forms might help.
\_ Thank you, Ron Paul.
Now, back on planet
Earth... -tom
\_ hush tom, the
grownups are talking.
\_ Jesse Helms was one of the leaders of our
own home-grown Taliban. The world is better
off without him. Here are some choice
quotes:
http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/helms.html
\_ Sully got it right: May he rest in the peace he so wanted to deny
to so many others. |
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| home.att.net/~jrhsc/helms.html Aids "There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy." Jesse Helms Anti-Gay This bill attempts to make sure that President Clinton is not allowed to do by Executive Order what Congress has declined to enact in the past two congressional sessions namely, to treat homosexuals as a special class protected under various titles of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Jesse Helms, introducing an anti-gay bill in January, 1999, quoted from Rhonda Smith, "Jesse Helms Introduces Anti-Gay Bill, " The Washington Blade, February 26, 1999 Arts "What is really at stake is whether or not America will allow the cultural high ground in this nation to sink slowly into an abyss of slime to placate people who clearly seek or are willing to destroy the Judaic-Christian foundations of this republic." According to Helms (and refuted by military personnel), the military was likely to shoot Clinton if he came to North Carolina. I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men are equal, be they slants, beaners or niggers. Jesse Helms, North Carolina Progressive, February 6, 1985, quoted from the Democratic Alliance, "Yes, They Really Said It!" in the l8 years and 5 months I've been in the senate, none, none have been more capable than Dan Quayle." Democracy "Democracy used to be a good thing, but now it has gotten into the wrong hands." Senator Jesse Helms Error The Lord did not make me impossible of error. All I've had to offer you is the total dedication in serving you as best I know how. And I've always leveled with you, and always will, knowing full well that everyone will not agree with me. Jesse Helms, campaign debate, News & Observer, July 30, 1984 Hearing Aid "Let me adjust my hearing aid. It could not accommodate the decibels of the Senator from Massachusetts. I can't match him in decibels or Jezebels, or anything else apparently." Jesse Helms (1993 Senate floor debate with Ted Kennedy) Heart Valve Surgery It's no piece of cake, but it sure beats listening to Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor. Senator Jesse Helms Homosexuals "If homosexuals would only stop doing what they're doing, There wouldn't be any more AIDS." stated by Helms after Mexicans protested his visit to Mexico in 1986 to investigate allegations of political corruption. Helms was investigating as to whether or not there might be communists in Mexico) Liberalism "Atheism and socialism -- or liberalism, which tends in the same direction -- are inseparable entities. When you have men who no longer believe that God is in charge of human affairs, you have men attempting to take the place of God by means of the Superstate." Jesse Helms (1973) Negro "To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for singing and dancing." "The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights." When a caller to CNN's Larry King Live show praised guest Jesse Helms for "everything you've done to help keep down the niggers," Helms' response was to salute the camera and say, "Well, thank you, I think." Just about every person down there is homosexual or lesbian," Metric System If God had wanted us to use the metric system, Jesus would have had 10 apostles. Smoking I was with some Vietnamese recently, and some of them were smoking two cigarettes at the same time. Jesse Helms, US Senator from North Carolina, at a dinner to promote the state's tobacco industry, 1996 Source:BQ Tax Dollars "Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade school classes that teach our children that CANNIBALISM, WIFE-SWAPPING, and the MURDER of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior. University of North Carolina (UNC) "University of Negroes and Communists". Voodoo Nevertheless, if the Administration insists on funding these programs I shall not stand in the way, so long as you agree to the following conditions: 1) that no funds be obligated to any affiliate of the International Planned Parenthood Foundation (IPPF) in Haiti, including PROFAMIL; and 2) that no funds be provided directly or indirectly to any group whose programs include producing material intended to be used in a voodoo ceremony ... AID is funding programs that endorse or legitimize what amounts to witchcraft." |