7/3 Just checking, how am I allowed to apply my religious beliefs to issues
today? Am I allowed to support jails? How about wars (you know, the
"kill the other guy" kind)? -emarkp
\_ You are allowed to think anything you want. We are allowed to
mock you for being a dumbass and possibly a hyprocrite.
\_ Okay, what are the criteria for being "mockable". -emarkp
\_ Being different.
\_ Think what ever you want, but please don't try to legislate your
beliefs. Our government must be secular to prevent religious
descrimination. -mrauser
\_ Yah, whatever. I'm trying to figure out what the unnamed jokers
are trying to "mock" me for in the waterboarding point down
below. -emarkp
\_ who would Jesus torture? -tom
\_ Well, yes that's part of the question, but before that, do
you think someone who calls himself Christian can support a
war? Fight in a war? -emarkp
\_ Someone who "calls himself a Christian" can do
anything they like, such as molest children, and
the rest of us can call him a criminal, a sinner,
unChristian, and a hypocrite. Someone who advocates
torture can similarly call himself a Christian,
or a Mormon, and the rest of us can call him a
criminal, a sinner, unChristian, and a hypocrite.
And the analogy isn't actually very bad, because
presumably a child is innocent, and some of those
that have been tortured are innocent.
\_ Depends on the moral basis for the war. -tom
\_ Okay, so I can justify killing someone if the moral
basis is good? Like self-defense or (obvious
example) toppling the 3rd Reich? What do you think
about people who say you should *never* fight anyone,
citing "turn the other cheek"? -emarkp
\_ I have nothing but resepct for all the Quakers
I know.
\_ You're intentionally deflecting the debate. I
think the Quaker position is consistent with
Jesus' teaching, but it's not the only
interpretation. However, I fail to see any
plausible interpretation of Jesus' teaching
which allows torture. "Self-defense" is a crock
in that context. -tom
\_ I'm not deflecting anything, I'm trying to
figure out where people are going with this.
I'm not trying to argue that "torture is
self-defense thus is justified". I'm using
"self-defense" as an example of violence that
most people consider morally valid, but others
point to "turn the other cheek" to suggest the
opposite. -emarkp
\_ once again: who would Jesus torture? -tom
\_ Okay tom, now that I know you want to
stay in the 2nd grade, I'll ignore you in
grown-up conversations. Thanks for
making yourself clear. -emarkp
\_ emarkp, I have a gun and a silencer.
Do you have a silencer? -tom
\_ Okay emarkp, now that I know you want
to cling to your rationalizations
rather than confront your own
inconsistent worldview, I will return
to mocking you. -tom
\_ "Who would Jesus torture" is
illustrative of the point that you're
not addressing, emarkp. If you have
the moral strength, total nonviolence
is the best way of following Jesus'
teachings. However, most of us don't
have the balls to let ourselves be
killed and tortured without raising
a violent hand in self defense. It
is still a moral fault by Jesus'
teachings, however. It is a much
more serious and vile sin to go the
huge step beyond defending yourself to
torture another person. I can look
in the mirror, and say, "yes, another
person has the right to defend
themselves from me if I attack
them", but can you really
say, "yes, he has a perfect right
to torture me, even though I'm
innocent and have told him all the
truth that I know?" It all stems
from this: "Do unto others as
you would have them do unto you",
and torture is a total non-starter
here.
\_ an eye for an eye works -!emarkp
\_ Your mocking me only makes me more like Jesus.
(ISAIAH 53:3). I will not hide (ISAIAH 50:6)!
Laughing at me does not hurt me (PSALMS 22:7).
I am eping and I am strong and I will WIN! (Psalms 2:4).
(Isaiah 53:3). I will not hide! (Isaiah 50:6)
Laughting at me does not hurt me (Psalms 22:7)
I am eping and I am strong! (not in Bible). |
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