Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 50327
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2018/11/21 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular

2008/6/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:50327 Activity:kinda low
6/22    Who Ruined California Public Schools?
        Is it true that CA is 42nd in school spending? By what measure?
        \_ Oh yes, blame it on Prop 13. Why do you hate tax cuts?
        \_ No, it's a simple lie.  CA spending has been well outpacing
           inflation, and enrollment has actually declined significantly.
           \_ Other states could still have raised their spending more.
              Do you have any data that supports your claim?
              \_ Which means nothing.  Performance has almost no correlation
                 with spending.
                 \_ So does that mean you have changed your tune and now
                    agree that CA is 42nd in school spending?
                    \_ Not the PP and I'm not sure what the right number
                       is, but it has nothing to do with Prop 13 as CA tax
                       revenues are the same as they always were.
                       \_ You need to explain what you mean by "the same as
                          they always were". Same in nominal dollars, in
                          inflation adjusted dollars, in inflation adjusted
                          per capita dollars or as a percentage of GDP dollars.
                          Those are all pretty different things.
                          We used to spend 4.5% of total income on education,
                          now we spend 3.5%.
            \_ Enrollment has declined since 1978? Are you crazy?
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Go To Complete List Who ruined California's Public Schools? That's the accusation that is being tossed around these days. And public schools are choking on the excessive amount of students! Not to mention that most of the students can't even speak English!" I hear this sentiment echoed through different media channels daily--from the CNN policy analysts in their stripey fancy suits to some over weight lady in a fanny pack being interviewed on her front lawn in Sylmar . Currently, there is political firestorm brewing about the border and immigration reform. I would like to focus on just one dimension of the debate : the decay public schools in the state. Up until the 1980's California was a model state for public education (K-12). California public schools' funding came predominately from property taxes (85%). The revenue that was collected from property tax was put into a pool and doled out to the state's schools. Since the 1920's California property has always been, well, caliente. The proliferation of the sprawling suburbs, the rise of a sophisticated freeway system, the temperate climate, the coast, the mountains, the schools all caused housing market to explode by the 1970's. However, even after you were able to buy a new home in California, the property value would continue skyrocket. Consequently, the amount a home owner would pay in property tax also continued to soar. Grandma and Gramps were soon being taxed out of their homes. New homeowners could not stay in a neighborhood long due to their property tax. Property owners screamed as taxes went up ten and twenty percent per year -- with no end in sight. Enter Howard Jarvis, a crusty old white guy to be sure, but also a fierce populist politician who led the crusade against property taxes. Jarvis and the Tax Payers Association of California successfully tapped into the fear and frustration of California homeowners and got proposition 13 on the Ballot in 1978. Meaning, if you bought a home in Laguna Beach in the 1970's for 300,000 you would only pay 3,000 in property taxes a year. No matter, Proposition 13 and other anti-tax measures still passed by a landslide in 1978. California historians refer to the election at as the "Tax Payers Revolt." Indeed, the homeowners insurgency has had lasting and harrowing effects that are still felt today. Prop 13 resulted in a cut in local property tax revenue of $6 Billion. School districts lost, on average, HALF their property tax revenue. By 1980, California plummeted from 18th in the nation for school funding to 40th! We are currently ranked 42nd --- that's below Kentucky-- in school spending. Even though California has the 9th highest per capita income in the nation and has some of the most expensive property in the country, all that wealth is siphoned away from the public schools due to Prop. In the words of one policy analyst " We've chosen mediocre public service, and more private money. Now we have a severe teacher shortage, piss-poor test scores, and no real remedy sight. Bush's "No Child Left Behind" act only further exacerbates the problem by putting financial sanctions on poor performing cash-strapped schools. If the state legislature or our burly Governor would increase the percentage to 3 or 4 percent then millions of dollars would poor back into our schools. There would be greater funding for more teachers which equals smaller classes sizes, tutors, college prep classes, and of course, bilingual classes. The demise of California's public school is not an immigration issue, it's a financial constraint issue. So next time you start blaming your Guatemalan gardener's kids for our dysfunctional schools, why don't you ask your parents how they voted on Prop. BrooWaha Los Angeles) on May 8, 2007 at 5:09 pm What about California personal income taxes? They are outrageously high too, and penalize those who make money from dividends, capital gains, and so on. Has some of the shortfall of property tax between transferred to the income tax? How have personal tax rates changed since proposition 13? When you say we rank 18th or 42nd in school spending, is that the total dollar spending or spending per student? Given the high cost of living and high property values, and the vast number of people, I think the cost to run a school here should be the highest in the world.