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2008/6/4-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:50155 Activity:moderate
6/4     Obama promises to eliminate Iran
        http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSWAT00959220080604
        Nevermind, Obama is ok with me now. -motd ex-Obama hater
        \_ Where in the article does it mention eliminating Iran?
           \_ "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be
              to eliminate this threat"
              \_ Eliminating the threat, not eliminating the country.
                 \_ So, he's just going to eliminate all their military
                    capabilities?
                    \_ Eliminating a threat does not always mean bombing
                       back to the stone age.  In fact, bombing back to the
                       stone age often doesn't eliminate a threat, see Iraq.
                       \_ So, he's going to give them WTO membership and
                          they'll learn to love the Jews and stop promising
                          to "wipe them off the map"?
                          \_ I didn't realize that was the only other choice.
                             Silly me.
                          \_ It is this kind of binary thinking that got us
                             into the mess we are in in the first place.
                             \_ Exactly!  We should just talk with them.  Use
                                the power of diplomacy and negotiate.  The pen
                                is mightier than the sword.  After Obama has a
                                chance to talk with Iran's leadership, they'll
                                come around and see this was all just a big
                                misunderstanding and it'll be just like Nixon
                                going to China.  We don't need binary
                                thinking.  We need Obama's fuzzy thinking.
                                \_ The world is more complex than you are
                                   capable of imagining.
                                   \_ I'm capable of quite a lot, thanks.  Are
                                      you saying we should not talk to anyone?
                                      It is hard to tell what you're trying to
                                      say since you said so little.
                                      \_ Your snarkiness does not really
                                         indicate a desire for a serious reply.
                                         If you are actually interested in a
                                         serious conversation about how
                                         International Diplomacy works (when
                                         not run by arrogant boobs, like the
                                         current Admin) I will be happy to
                                         have one with you. But you might be
                                         better off picking up a copy of
                                         Foreign Affairs first.
                                         \_ My snarkiness?  I made a statement.
                                            Your only replies were to insult
                                            me.  You have still added nothing
                                            to this thread.  Why did you even
                                            bother to post if you had nothing
                                            to add?
                                            \_ "We need Obama's fuzzy thinking"
                                                is a statement? Do you really
                                                believe that?
                                                is a non-snarky statement?
                                                Do you really believe that? The
                                                whole paragraph was snarky.
        \_ "Obama also vowed to vigorously support Israel's right to defend
           itself ......".  See, I told you, Obama is not black.  Only a day
           after he secured the Democratic nomination using support from black
           people, he's already letting out his 50% whiteness.
           \_ Black people hate Israel?  I didn't know that sterotype.
              \_ Yeah, and Latinos hating blacks is just another stereotype,
                 too.  Yeah, really.
        \_ And a politician *never* goes back on his promises, right?
           \_ If we're going to go with this assumption, then I'm voting for
              Obama because I like him better, no other reason.
                 \_ You are insane aren't you?
                    \_ Didn't Hillary dominate the Hispainc vote because of
                       racial tension between Lations and blacks?
           \_ In this country, you cannot win the presidency if you
              don't support the Jews. It's as simple as that.
              \_ Or any other group with more that accounts for 5% or more of
                 the people.  I'm sure you didn't intend to sound racist when
                 you said that.
                 \_ The GOP routinely wins office with less than 10% support
                    from Blacks, a voting block much larger than 5% of the
                    population. Not to detract from your main point though.
                    \_ This has been based, traditionally, on voter apathy
                       among blacks. See if this changes this year.
                       \_ Hello mr. clueless!
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