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6/4     Wow.  Christians warned for preaching to Muslims, because it's a hate
        crime?
        http://csua.org/u/lpd
        \_ "A West Midlands Police spokesman said an investigation into the
            complaint had concluded that the PCSO had acted 'with the best of
            intentions' when he 'intervened to diffuse a heated argument
            between two groups of men'.
            A statement added: 'Following this investigation, the PCSO has
            been offered guidance about what constitutes a hate crime and
            advice on communication style.'"
           In other words, no.
           \_ communist
              \_ Yeah, that's what I get for reading the actual story.
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csua.org/u/lpd -> www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/749096/britains-slide-into-dhimmocracy.thtml
story: Two Christian preachers were stopped from handing out Bible extracts by police because they were in a Muslim area, it was claimed yesterday. They say they were told by a Muslim police community support officer that they could not preach there and that attempting to convert Muslims to Christianity was a hate crime. The community officer is also said to have told the two men: 'You have been warned. The noteworthy point about this incident is that it was a Muslim police ancillary officer who was involved. He did not uphold the law of the land, which gives people the freedom to say in public whatever they want within the law. Instead he upheld the Islamist principle that this particular area of an English city was a Muslim area, within which it was not permissible to do anything contrary to Muslim principles such as preach Christianity. When the Bishop of Rochester recently warned that Britain was developing Muslim no-go areas, he was denounced the length and breadth of the establishment, with government ministers and bishops falling over each other to declare that they did not recognise the country he was describing. Well, here it is, in glowing technicolour and flashing lights, in Alum Rock Birmingham. What are they all saying now, those government ministers and bishops of the Church of England, to a situation where in the heart of England a British police support officer, employed by the British state to enforce the law of England, aggressively prevents Christians from preaching the established faith of England on the grounds that this is now a hate crime'? Alert readers will note that it was the West Midlands police force which tried to prosecute the Dispatches TV programme for revealing the true hate crime' in Britain's so-called moderate mosques which preach hatred of the west and sedition. Up and down the country, police forces led by politically correct imbeciles are recruiting large numbers of Muslims, mainly as police community support officers like the officer in Alum Rock, in order to build bridges' with the Muslim community, and with minimal or non-existent security vetting in case they upset or offend the said Muslim community. The result is, among other things, the development of Muslim no-go areas enforced by British police officers. uk website, "lawyers for the two men have sent a strongly worded letter to the Chief Constable of West Midlands Police. The letter gives notice that the two men are entitled to bring a claim against West Midlands Police for breach of their convention rights under articles 9 and 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998. Mr Cunningham and Mr Abraham are seeking a full and unreserved written apology, recognition that their convention rights were infringed by the conduct of the police officers, damages and reasonable legal costs." Anyone wishing to support the Legal Defence Fund can donate via the website. I sent this email to Sir Paul Scott-Lee, CC of the WMP Dear Sir Paul, I read with disbelief that one of your Muslim PCSOs told two Christian Preachers that they could not hand out Bible leaflets in Alum Rock as they were in a Muslim area. Can I assume from this that the policy of the West Midlands Police is now not to uphold the law of the land - which gives people the freedom to say in public whatever they want within the law - but to uphold the Islamist principle that this particular area of Birmingham is a Muslim area under Muslim law? Can you confirm that the WMP's view is that this area is now a no-go area for Christians? The Bishop of Rochester recently warned that Britain is developing Muslim no-go areas. Government ministers fell over themselves to say that there are no no-go areas in Britain. Well, there is, and WMP have established that area through the actions of its officers - including the police constable who reiterated the view of your PCSO. Yours sincerely, Robin Davies C Powell June 2nd, 2008 7:14pm Find the MP who represents the area (I believe it's Liam Byrne but I may be wrong) and ask him whether he agrees with the actions of the police; whether he agrees that preaching Christianity is a hate crime and, if so, to reference the legislation which made this a crime; whether he agrees with the police comment that if someone lawfully carrying out their business in any part of the UK gets beaten up it is their fault and not that of the person doing the beating up; or whether he believes it is the police's job to catch and prosecute the perpetrators of crimes and not the victims of it. Also the two Christian preachers should not just seek damages but give notice to the police that they will continue to preach - entirely peacefully and lawfully - anywhere in the UK and if they are threatened, harassed or attacked in any way in the Birmingham area, they expect the police to take the appropriate steps to protect them and prosecute those who seek to do them any harm whatsoever or they will have to consider themselves accessories to the crime (and face a possible private prosecution). Rather than rail against what is happening we need to take steps to reclaim our country. Like all bullies, the police and others will back down if confronted, just as they were forced to over the Dispatches programme. Commondog June 2nd, 2008 7:19pm I was just going to pop out for a pint of evilness, but I want to be here when Patricia gets home from the day-care centre and sees this. Joe Strummer June 2nd, 2008 7:19pm No doubt the local British Left will praise the actions to keep these Christian " fascist imperialists and oppressors" out of the area and from harassing the local populace. Darren June 2nd, 2008 8:13pm Melanie, Thanks for this blog. The few stories I've read on this incident curiously said next to nothing about the Ancillory officer, which increasingly for incidents such as these is the means of avoiding mention of the Muslim component to the story. I have to add though, I'm glad a couple of blokes had the courage to go in and share their message of hope. Augustus June 2nd, 2008 8:42pm This incident strikes me as a typical example of policemen passing the buck, ie send them away and then we won't have to deal with the consequences. Whilst admiring their missionary zeal, one cannot help but wonder at attempts at conversion in that area of all places. kevin o connell June 2nd, 2008 9:01pm This is certainly worrying, and I commend you for bringing attention to issues like this. I would still like your opinion on the fact that the British royal family is a 'no-Catholic' zone. We surely can't blame Islam for a shameful state of affairs that the British media take unquestioningly for granted. stanley Jerusalem June 2nd, 2008 9:15pm What is left to desecrate in the wonderful country in which I was born and educated after the social engineers have driven everyone insane with their political correctness and their blinkered social engineering? I feel like the man carrying the sandwich boards in Oxford Street. The Fat Lady is saying Kaddish over our great land as we read this.. " You poor suckers, get out before the Civil War commences. Tintagel June 2nd, 2008 9:55pm I would like to make two points. Firstly, the most noteworthy detail of this incident is not the intolerant conduct of the Moslem policeman but, rather, that one of the Evangelical Christians is a convert from Islam which brings me to the second point. Significant numbers of Moslems, world-wide, are leaving Islam, usually as converts to Christianity, for various reasons: political and religious freedom, revulsion over the ideology of Islam, general knowledge of which has become far more public due to the Internet and, most of all, by the example of Christians. A very large number of people involved in conversions are former Moslems. They deserve our admiration, our thanks (unlike most of the useless and godless Western clergy), and our prayers. 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