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6/3     You are smart people. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled
        record revenues. You know what it takes to establish causality.
        You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower
        tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues
        can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates
        encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No
        thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than
        compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. Not a single one.
        http://voxbaby.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-years-plea.html
        -Prof Andrew Samwick
        \_ But... but.. LAFFER CURVE.... neener neener I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
           \_ Mocking people works much better if you don't sound like
              a complete fucking retard.
              \_ I sound like a complete fucking retard in life, why
                 change here?
        \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Samwick
           Samwick is a heavy hitter and a Republican who served as chair
           of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors, btw. Mankiw, who served
           after him would say pretty much the same thing.
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writing or saying the following: It is also a fact that our tax cuts have fueled robust economic growth and record revenues. You know that the tax cuts have not fueled record revenues. You know that the first order effect of cutting taxes is to lower tax revenues. We all agree that the ultimate reduction in tax revenues can be less than this first order effect, because lower tax rates encourage greater economic activity and thus expand the tax base. No thoughtful person believes that this possible offset more than compensated for the first effect for these tax cuts. and tell me why the tax cuts were so small given their effects on revenues. AddThis Social Bookmark Button 8 comment: Anonymous said... Does the President mean record federal government revenues or record revenues for the families and businesses for whom taxes were cut? Because of the nature of our tax system as income grows it pushes people into higher tax brackets --especially now with the ATM. So it is normal as the economy recovers for tax receipts to grow faster then the economy -- it has nothing to do with supply-side economics, it is simply the consequence of a graduated income tax system. If you look at the historic record in the first three years of an economic recovery-expansion the norm or average is for federal revenues to expand about 20%. But in this cycle at the end of three years of economic recovery federal receipts were still below were they were at the economic bottom. At 20 quarters, or 5 years into the recovery federal receipts have just now exceeded the 20% expansion they normally achieve in three years. So again, this administration is bragging about having the worse economic recovery on record and no one thinks to check the data and call them on it. They get away with putting out some number and making it sound great when by historic norms it is terrible, but they feel safe in the assumtion that no one will but the number in perspective and call them on their spin. I have found that "record revenues" is easily described this way. Any discussion of numbers, be it revenues or expenses, be it Federal revenue or local school board expenses, must include 1) inflation 2) population growth On a per-citizen inflation adjusted basis, Federal revenues are down about 20%. From what I can tell, this is about the amount we had been borrowing. Thus this proves that tax cuts provide effectively 0% return to the Feds, not 100% much less > 100%. We also have record expenses under this administration, on per-capita and inflation adjusted basis. My Photo Andrew Samwick I am a professor of economics and Director of the Nelson A Rockefeller Center at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire. This blog reflects my personal opinions about topics in economics, politics, and current events. They do not necessarily reflect the opinions of any institution with which I am affiliated. None of the opinions expressed here should be construed to represent the opinions of Dartmouth College, the Rockefeller Center, or any other group with which I am affiliated.
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Professor Samwick has also offered Congressional testimony on Social Security and retirement issues. National Bureau of Economic Research and the co-organizer of its Social Security Working Group. Wikimedia Foundation * This page was last modified on 15 September 2007, at 09:34.