5/6     didnt anyone on the motd notice a berkeley townie STABBED
        TO DEATH a UC Berkeley nuclear engineering senior on Friday?
        I don't like nuclear power but this is ridiculous.
        \_ This is just a case of two guys + dime store knife + alcohol.
           I've never heard the phrase "berkeley townie" before.  Since when
           have we become some elite-better-than-the-citizens upper class at
           Cal like some east coast school?
        \_ A) Link?
              \_ http://tinyurl.com/587ple
           B) Is there any evidence that the attack was due to his major?
              \_ no, it was due to a drunken argument.
                 \_ alcohol and nukes never mix
           C) What have you got against nuclear power?
        \_ Berkeley is a dangerous shithole. I can't believe how many
           young, drunk co-eds walk around Berkeley at night alone. When I
           was a student I would often escort these wayward lassies home
           when they encountered me on the street (I kept late hours).
           They were lucky I was a nice, normal guy who didn't even
           approach their apartment buildings let alone try something.
           This was the first student to die in 10 years AFAIK, but not the
           first that was stabbed or shot in that time.
           \_ You don't know what "dangerous shithole" means do you?  If
              Berkeley scares you you probably should just hide in your
              room and never go outside.
              \_ Is it Compton? No. It is a dangerous shithole? Yes, the
                 south and west sides are.
                 \_ 1. They aren't really dangerous or shitholes.  (There are
                       very small patches of shitty areas in Berkeley, yes,
                       but the vast majority is safe.)
                    2. Not many students live that far south or that far west.
                    3. The stabbing was in frat row, which funny enough is
                       the part of Berkeley I like walking around in least
                       (mostly because all the frat boys are obnoxious as
                       hell.)
                       \_ No kidding, in my four years at Cal I was threatened
                          with violence four times and three of those times
                          were on Frat Row, which I mostly avoided.
                          \_ When were you there? I agree that Berkeley in
                             the early 90s was bad, but it's much better now.
                             Ditto for North Oakland and Berkeley near San
                             Pablo. -!pp
                             \_ Early 90s. It was the Fraternity members who
                                did the threatening. I am small, had long hair
                                and wore a motorcycle jacket and the combo
                                seemed to send them into some kind of feeding
                                frenzy.
                                \_ Well, sorry, man, that part of the pop.
                                   probably hasn't changed much.
                                   \_ Which is funny because I'm pretty sure
                                      OP uses "dangerous shithole" as a
                                      (probably self closted) code word for
                                      "there are black people there" but
                                      really the part of Bekeley that made
                                      of a lot of us feel unsafe are the
                                      super white frat boys which nicknames
                                      like The Stevester.
                                      \_ Hey, it's super-racist again!  How's
                                         it feel to be a dick?
                                    \_ These days I have short hair, wear a
                                       a Cal sweatshirt on game days (which
                                       is when I go to Frat Row) and never
                                       have any problems. In fact, they are
                                       pretty friendly to me.
                                       \_ In other words, you've changed, and
                                          that part of the pop. hasn't.
                       \_ I lived on Frat Row (Durant near I-House) for 2 years
                          in a private residence which I rented. Frats were
                          sometimes obnoxious (usually only when they had
                          parties which isn't as often as you might think)
                          as were homeless people shouting in the middle of the
                          night. However, it wasn't that shitty or dangerous
                          compared to other parts of Berkeley. Almost all
                          of Berkeley is a shithole except for the Hills.
                          Not all of Berkeley is dangerous. Just all the
                          parts you might want to go to as a student and
                          some parts (on the West side) that you wouldn't.
              \_ 'You don't know what "dangerous shithole" means do you?'
                 The meaning seems fairly straight forward to me, is there
                 some subtlety to the term I may be missing? -!pp
              \_ Gourmet Ghetto and Solano Ave are particularly dangerous
                 at night. Not to mention Fourth Street. The roving bands of
                 yuppies scare the hell out of me.
        \_ Why don't you like nuclear power?  Are you a Luddite?
        \_ See, those poor Berkeleyites get bitter and cling to knives and
           environmentalim.
           environmentalism.
        \_ Stabbing someone is more environmentally sustainable than
           nuking them.  The fallout problems would be insane.