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2008/4/16-23 [Science/Physics] UID:49758 Activity:nil
4/16    This article sort of argues that we should have set of odds to gauge
        how likely it is the CERN will destroy the earth.  I'm not quite sure
        how one would take odds on somehting we basically think is impossible.
        http://csua.org/u/lak  (NYTimes)
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/16     Pope fashion show!  I had no idea he had so many outfits.
        http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1730229,00.html
        \_ Hello,  I am offering Earth destroyal insurance at the modest
           cost of only $100.  Should the Earth be destroyed by CERN,
           I will pay each policy holder $10M.  Policy only good for
           lifetime of holder.
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Get Science News From The New York Times "Lord, grant that my work increase knowledge and help other men. "Failing that, Lord, grant that it will not lead to man's destruction. "Failing that, Lord, grant that my article in Brain be published before the destruction takes place." Today we require more than prayers that a scientific experiment will not lead to the end of the world. It starts smashing protons together this summer at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or Cern, outside Geneva, in hopes of grabbing a piece of the primordial fire, forces and particles that may have existed a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang. To most physicists, this fear is more science fiction than science fact. At a recent open house weekend, 73,000 visitors, without pitchforks or torches, toured the collider without incident. Nevertheless, some experts say too much hype and not enough candor on the part of scientists about the promises and perils of what they do could boomerang into a public relations disaster for science, opening the door for charlatans and demagogues. Francesco Calogero, a nuclear physicist at the University of Rome and co-winner of the 1995 Nobel Peace Prize for his work with the Pugwash conferences on arms control, deplored a tendency among his colleagues to promulgate a "leave it to the experts" attitude. "Many, indeed most, of them," he wrote, "seem to me to be more concerned with the public relations impact of what they, or others, say and write, than in making sure that the facts are presented with complete scientific objectivity." One problem is that society has never agreed on a standard of what is safe in these surreal realms when the odds of disaster might be tiny but the stakes are cosmically high. Calogero said he hoped to apply a gentle pressure on Cern to treat these issues with seriousness. "A crusade against it is a danger," he said of the new collider. Fears about the Brookhaven collider first centered on black holes but soon shifted to the danger posed by weird hypothetical particles, strangelets, that critics said could transform the Earth almost instantly into a dead, dense lump. Ultimately, independent studies by two groups of physicists calculated that the chances of this catastrophe were negligible, based on astronomical evidence and assumptions about the physics of the strangelets. One report put the odds of a strangelet disaster at less than one in 50 million, less than a chance of winning some lottery jackpots. Kent, in a 2003 paper, used the standard insurance company method to calculate expected losses to explore how stringent this bound on danger was. 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