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| 2008/4/11-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:49735 Activity:moderate |
4/11 Did Obama just shoot himself in the foot? I am an Obama supporter,
but this statement seems like a political mistake to me.
http://www.csua.org/u/l9l (newsday)
\_ Oh bullshit. You are not an Obama supporter and everyone knows it.
\_ No, I really am an Obama supporter. I even voted for him in
the primaries.
\_ The guy is going to make a lot of political mistakes. He is
incredibly green.
\_ Holy cow, I guess he just insulted 1/2 of America. I guess
this is why McCain is going to win.
\_ I could be wrong, but I don't think 1/2 of America lives in
rural areas.
\_ FWIW, Obama's response to the all of the "umbrage"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
\_ He is pretty slick.
\_ I think what you wanted to say was that he's a SASSY NIGGER,
didn't you?
\_ Yawn. How many times are we going to have to see this lame
troll this election? FAIL.
\_ Sigh. Modern politics just reminds me of the trial scene in
Idiocracy.
\_ I knew enough about McC and HRC to not like either so I was
looking at Obama back in January/February. But now that I know
more about him I think he's the worst of the three for the country
and I *really* don't like the other two. This statement shows
what he really thinks and it is ugly.
\_ What about his statement do you disagree with so strongly?
Try the response video on youtube linked above, too.
\_ It was definitely a political error. Calling a broad swath of
people "bitter" and saying they "cling to guns or religion...
anti-immigrant or anti-trade" makes it sound like those aren't
valid opinions to have; that they are desperate fools. His
subsequent response framed it differently: saying that they
focus on those things because "they can't count on Washington"
for economic or other problems. It's a clever response but
it has a different twist than the original statement.
Clearly he didn't intend for his remarks to a liberal SF
audience to be seen by the "bitter" people themselves.
Barack admits mistake:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7344532.stm
\_ I actually agree with his remark and I was raised in a
small town, but I think it was dumb of him to voice it. -op
\_ He regrets the remark, but he didn't apologize for it.
\_ Worse than HRC? Really? i don't know if I'd go that far.
I would say Hillary has the same elitest views, coupled with
distain for democracy and voters that I find appalling. See
her attempts to get the Michigan delegates seated and her
continuing Bosnia delusions. What makes you think Obama is
worse? -Obama is a racist guy
\_ Yes worse than HRC and I *really* loathe her. Here's how I
see it:
HRC: same dysfunctional war room self-induced crisis/fuckup
of the week for 4-8 years but that's 99% their internal
problems and doesn't truly hurt the country in a real way over
the long haul.
BHO: true believer in socialism, hates our allies, loves our
enemies, no clue at all about half the country's needs/desires
and most similar in my mind to Jimmy Carter, worst president
ever.
Given how the election is going, it looks like BHO gets the
party nod and goes up again McC and gets crushed because quite
frankly BHO is even more distant from real people than McC
and has another 6+ months to say more stupid things.
McC: not (R), nor (D), nor (I), he represents the (Selfish)
party. Self aggrandising, nearly as criminal as BHO and HRC
in his financial dealings, no guiding philosophy other than
getting his name in the paper, the Presidency would just be
a huge ego trip.
I don't know who I'm voting for in November but it won't be
any of these losers. IMO, no matter who you vote for (of
these three), you're voting based on lesser-evil, as none of
them has a single good idea in their head. If anything
positive comes from the next President (no matter who) it will
be a case of the broken clock being right twice a day. I
guess by my own words, HRC is the least worst and wow does it
make me ill to say that.
\_ So who is your ideal candidate?
\_ My ideal candidate wassn't in the race. It sure as hell
isn't Pat Buchanan. This whole election cycle is a
wash.
\_ When wasn't it a wash? Did you think that Dubya would
make a good president? How about Kerry? Gore? Clinton?
\_ Patrick Buchanan
\_ Le sigh.
\_ So is he an ANGRY SCARY NEGRO or is he an OUT OF TOUCH IVORY TOWER
LATTE SIPPING ELITIST? Which is it, please?
\_ Both.
\_ Wow, I guess angry and partisan doesn't have to make sense,
huh? Just go with your feelings, Luke.
\_ Huh? Which of those things you listed are mutual
exclusive? You don't think someone can be and angry scary
elitist? That's how I'd define a lot of people I met in
elitist? That's how I'd describe quite a few people I met in
Berkeley. -!pp
exclusive? You don't think someone can be an angry scary
elitist? That's how I'd describe quite a few people I met
in Berkeley. -!pp |
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| www.csua.org/u/l9l -> www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usobam0412,0,3879544.story decrease text size WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's battle to win the soul of blue-collar America suffered a major blow Friday when he claimed small-town Pennsylvanians "cling to" God, guns and hostility toward immigrants to cope with their bitterness over the economy. Hillary Clinton and John McCain wasted little time in blasting Harvard-educated Obama of elitism, condescension and insensitivity to the little-town blues of working-class Americans. "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama told supporters at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, according to a transcript posted on the Huffington Post blog. "It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he added. story%3Flast_modified%3D4%2F11%2F08%208%3A17%3A44 Obama's campaign didn't deny the account, which was later verified by an audiotape provided to CNN. Clinton, who has seen her once-commanding lead over Obama shrink ahead of the Keystone State's April 22 Democratic primary, opened her speech in Philadelphia late Friday with an anti-Obama broadside. "My opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter," she said. "Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them, they need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families." "It's a remarkable statement," said McCain's senior adviser, Steve Schmidt. "It shows an elitism and condescension towards hard-working Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans." Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor shot back: "If John McCain wants a debate about who's out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans." The local and national struggle Forty-eight years after the Greensboro sit-in sparked a movement, we reflect on local leaders, then and now, doing their part to push for equality. |
| www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow Filter videos that may not be suitable for minors Note: some videos not suitable for minors may still appear in search results. Obama Responds to McCain and Clinton attacks in Terre Haute Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Good comment Marked as spam Reply Hillary said she will fight for us? She haven't proved to me,that she is a fighter She prove to me that she is a 'Chicken" I'm so glad i change my vote to Obama I certainly see who the real hillary is,I can't belive hillary is teaming up with Mccain to critize Obama and feeding her supporters Fear,lies,deception" That was me Once. Good comment Marked as spam Reply Obama is closing in on Clinton in the polls. You feel bitter, angry and sometimes not knowing what's next. When I speak my mind, my mother would say, "I love that in ya!" And now I'm saying, "Barack Obama, you speak the truth, and I love it in ya!" Good comment Marked as spam Reply Jed, I want to say thank you so much for this video. I have it on my blog as well as other articles you have written. I am opposed to the war and know Obama is our only hope. I can't understand why these "MONSTERS" are making such to do over every little thing he says. I live in DE not far from Philly and what he's saying is true. |
| news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7344532.stm Printable version Obama rues 'bitter' voter remark Barack Obama in Indiana (12 April 2008) Barack Obama was criticised after his speech was published on the internet Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has said remarks about "bitter" working-class people "clinging to guns or religion" were ill-chosen. After a storm of criticism from his rivals, Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain, Mr Obama said he "didn't say it as well as I should have". He made the contentious remarks at a fundraiser in San Francisco on Sunday. The Illinois senator is ahead of Mrs Clinton in terms of delegates won in the Democratic primaries so far. Mrs Clinton is hoping to reduce his lead when Pennsylvania holds its key primary election on 22 April. However, the majority of polls published last week suggested Mrs Clinton's lead in the state had narrowed to the low single digits. The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important - that's what sustains us Barack Obama "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," he said. "And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he added. Mrs Clinton said her rival's comments had been condescending and suggested voters in Pennsylvania did not "need a president who looks down on them". "I was taken aback by the demeaning remarks Senator Obama made about people in small-town America," she said on Saturday. "Senator Obama's remarks are elitist and are out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans, certainly not the Americans that I know." Hillary Clinton visits a factory in Indianapolis (12 April 2008) Mrs Clinton said the remarks did not reflect the values and beliefs of voters An adviser to Mr McCain, Steve Schmidt, said his candidate believed the statement was "nothing short of breathtaking", and that it was "hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans". At a rally in Indiana on Saturday, Mr Obama conceded his description had been clumsy and not conveyed its intended meaning. He said he believed many voters were indeed bitter about the economy and that he had meant to say that "when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on". "So people - they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community," he said, adding that it was a "natural response". "The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. The latest count of pledged delegates to the party's national convention in August, according to the Associated Press, gives Mr Obama the support of 1,638 delegates and Mrs Clinton 1,502. Advertise with us BBC MMVIII The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites. This page is best viewed in an up-to-date web browser with style sheets (CSS) enabled. While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. Please consider upgrading your browser software or enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so. |