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2008/4/9-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:49694 Activity:nil
4/8     Worst. President. Ever.
        http://harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804
        \- I am hoping for two things:
           1. the us govt torturers [JYOO, DADDINGTON, DRUMSFELD etc]
              get arrested in some EU country
           2. The BUSHCO legacy is one of incompetence, such as being
              labelled "the worst president in US history". Some presidents
              were labelled as losers because they didnt win a second term
              and since BUSHCO was inconceivable re-elected, he wasnt tainted
              in the same way as JCARTER and GHWBUSH, eventhough he is vastly
              worse. Second, I dont think DRUMSFELD or DCHENEY give a rats
              ass about being called "evil", but I think mass opinion that
              they are fools and incompetent would bother them [ALBERTO on
              the other hand was so stupid apparently even universally being
              condemned as a moron doesnt seem to have affected him much.
              Like an amoeba, he probably only reacts to extreme hot and cold
              or beatings.]
            \_ I love when you put stuff in ALL CAPS as if that MEANS SOMETHING
               IMPORTANT.  Since you brought it up, by torture do you mean lap
               dances from hot CIA chicks and having underwear put on your
               head?  Terrifying stuff, truly evil.
               \_ More likely he's referring to waterboarding, stress positions,
                  and the numerous people that have been murdered in custody.
                  Not to mention all the people we rendered to Egypt where
                  they were tortured by Egyptian security into producing
                  false information:
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Shaykh_al-Libi
                  \_ Being strapped to a board, beaten, then sodomized by a
                     big hairy Egyptian policeman sounds like a good time to me.
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April 5, 2008 "It would be difficult to identify a President who, facing major international and domestic crises, has failed in both as clearly as President Bush," concluded one respondent. "His domestic policies," another noted, "have had the cumulative effect of shoring up a semi-permanent aristocracy of capital that dwarfs the aristocracy of land against which the founding fathers rebelled; of encouraging a mindless retreat from science and rationalism; America's historians, it seems, don't think much of George W Bush. Now in all fairness, historians should wait a while before passing judgment on a president's who served recently, much less one still in office. After all, 81 percent of Americans, according to a recent New York Times poll, believe he's taken the country on the wrong track. The same poll also says 28 percent have a favorable view of his performance in office, which is also in Nixon-in-the-darkest-days-of-Watergate territory. George Mason University's History News Network reports, the historians have a different measure. They want to stack him up against his thirty-three predecessors as the nation's chief executive. Among historians, there is no doubt into which echelon he falls-his competitors are Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and Franklin Pierce, the worst of the presidential worst. History News Network's poll of 109 historians found that 61 percent of them rank Bush as "worst ever" among US presidents. Bush's key competition comes from Buchanan, apparently, and a further 2 percent of the sample puts Bush right behind Buchanan as runner-up for "worst ever." And was his presidency (it's a bit wishful to speak of his presidency in the past tense-after all there are several more months left to go) a success or failure? On that score the numbers are still more resounding: 98 percent label it a "failure." Pew Research Poll: Historians Rate George W Bush a "Failure" This marks a dramatic deterioration for Bush. Previously he wasn't viewed in the most positive terms, but there was a consensus that he wasn't the "worst of the worst" either. In the meantime, Bush has established himself as the torture president, the basis for his invasion of Iraq has been exposed as a fraud, the Iraq War itself has gone disastrously, the nation's network of alliances has faded, and the economy has gone into a tailspin-not to mention the bungled handling of relief for victims of hurricane Katrina. In 2004, only 12 percent of historians were ready to place Bush dead last. Here are some of the comments that the historians furnished: "No individual president can compare to the second Bush," wrote one. "Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world's goodwill. In short, no other president's faults have had so deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at large." "With his unprovoked and disastrous war of aggression in Iraq and his monstrous deficits, Bush has set this country on a course that will take decades to correct," said another historian. "When future historians look back to identify the moment at which the United States began to lose its position of world leadership, they will point--rightly--to the Bush presidency. Thanks to his policies, it is now easy to see America losing out to its competitors in any number of areas: China is rapidly becoming the manufacturing powerhouse of the next century, India the high tech and services leader, and Europe the region with the best quality of life."
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Specifically, he told interrogators that Iraq provided training to al-Qaeda in the area of weapons of mass destruction. In Cincinnati in October 2002, Bush informed the public: "Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and gases." Others suggest that al-Libi gave false information because of the use of excessively harsh interrogation methods. Al-Libi is believed to have been one of the high value detainees who prompted the Bush administration to initiate interrogation methods of questionable morality and legality. These critics suggest it wasn't hard for al-Libi to figure out what his interrogators were sure he knew, and that they wouldn't stop, until he told them what they wanted to hear. Carl Levin, that expressed doubts about the results of al-Libi's interrogation in February 2002. The declassified paragraphs are: This is the first report from Ibn al-Shaykh in which he claims Iraq assisted al-Qaida's CBRN efforts. involved, the CBRN materials associated with the assistance, and the location where training occurred. it is more likely this individual is intentionally misleading the debriefers. scenarios to the debriefers that he knows will retain their interest. Saddam's regime is intensely secular and is wary of Islamic revolutionary movements. Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control. In the January 2003 CIA paper, Iraqi Support for Terrorism, it states that al-Libi told a foreign intelligence service that "Iraq-acting on the request of al-Qa'ida militant Abu Abdullah, who was Muhammad Atif's emissary-agreed to provide unspecified chemical or biological weapons training for two al-Qa'ida associates beginning in December 2000. The two individuals departed for Iraq but did not return, so al-Libi was not in a position to know if any training had taken place." The September 2002 version of Iraqi Support for Terrorism stated that al-Libi said Iraq had "provided" chemical and biological weapons training for two al-Qaeda associates in 2000, but also stated that al-Libi "did not know the results of the training." The 2006 Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq stated that "Although DIA coordinated on CIA's Iraqi Support for Terrorism paper, DIA analysis preceding that assessment was more skeptical of the al-Libi reporting." In July 2002, DIA assessed "It is plausible al-Qa'ida attempted to obtain CB assistance from Iraq and Ibn al-Shaykh is sufficiently senior to have access to such sensitive information. However, Ibn al-Shaykh's information lacks details concerning the individual Iraqis involved, the specific CB materials associated with the assistance and the location where the alleged training occurred. The information is also second hand, and not derived from Ibn al-Shaykh's personal experience." United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released "Phase II" of its report on prewar intelligence on Iraq. In January 2004, al-Libi recanted his allegations about CBW training and many of his other claims about Iraq's links to al Qa'ida. He told debriefers that, to the best of his knowledge, al-Qa'ida never sent any individuals into Iraq for any kind of support in chemical or biological weapons. He said that later, while he was being debriefed by a (REDACTED) foreign intelligence service, he fabricated more information in response to physical abuse and threats of torture. The foreign government service denies using any pressure during al-Libi's interrogation. In February 2004, the CIA reissued the debriefing reports from al-Libi to note that he had recanted information. In the book, Nasiri claims that al-Libi deliberately planted information to encourage the US to invade Iraq. In an interview with BBC2's Newsnight, Nasiri said Libi "needed the conflict in Iraq because months before I heard him telling us when a question was asked in the mosque after the prayer in the evening, where is the best country to fight the jihad?" Libi said Iraq was chosen because it was the "weakest" Muslim country, according to Nasiri. Nasiri suggested to Newsnight that al-Libi wanted to overthrow Saddam and use Iraq as a jihadist base. In the book, Nasiri describes al-Libi as one of the leaders at the Afghan camp, and characterizes him as "brilliant in every way." Nasiri explains that learning how to withstand interrogations and supply false information once captured was a key part of the training in the camps. Nasiri claims that al-Libi "knew what his interrogators wanted, and he was happy to give it to them. With regard to al-Libi, Tenet writes the following: "We believed that al-Libi was withholding critical threat information at the time, so we transferred him to a third country for further debriefing. Allegations were made that we did so knowing that he would be tortured, but this is false. The country in question understood and agreed that they would hold al-Libi for a limited period. In the course of questioning while he was in US custody in Afghanistan, al-Libi made initial references to possible al-Qa'ida training in Iraq. He offered up information that a militant known as Abu Abdullah had told him that at least three times between 1997 and 2000, the now-deceased al-Qa'ida leader Mohammad Atef had sent Abu Abdullah to Iraq to seek training in poisons and mustard gas. Another senior al-Qa'ida detainee told us that Mohammad Atef was interested in expanding al-Qa-ida's ties to Iraq, which, in our eyes, added credibility to the reporting. Then, shortly after the Iraq war got under way, al-Libi recanted his story. Now, suddenly, he was saying that there was no such cooperative training. Inside the CIA, there was sharp division on his recantation. It led us to recall his reporting, and here is where the mystery begins. Al-Libi's story will no doubt be that he decided to fabricate in order to get better treatment and avoid harsh punishment. Did he lie when he first said that al-Qa'ida members received training in Iraq or did he lie when he said they did not? Perhaps, early on, he was under pressure, assumed his interrogators already knew the story, and sang away. After time passed and it became clear that he would not be harmed, he might have changed his story to cloud the minds of his captors. A recantation would restore his stature as someone who had successfully counfounded the enemy. edit Current whereabouts In Fall 2006, the Bush Administration announced that it was "transferring high-value Al Qaeda detainees from CIA secret prisons so they could be put on trial by military commissions." But the Administration was "conspicuously silent" about al-Libi; Michael Isikoff writes: Despite the fact he was once touted as a top White House target, Libi was not on the list--and no further allusion to him has been made by any administration official. But Noman Benotman, a former Afghan jihad fighter who knew Libi and who is now a London-based Libyan political opposition leader, told NEWSWEEK that during a recent trip to Tripoli, he met with a senior Libyan government official who confirmed to him that Libi had been quietly returned to Libya and is now in prison there. Benotman said that he was told by the senior Libyan government official--whom he declined to publicly identify--that Al Libi is extremely ill, suffering from tuberculosis and diabetes. "He is there in jail and very sick," Benotman told NEWSWEEK. He also said that the senior official told him that the Libyan government has agreed not to publicly confirm anything about Libi--out of deference to the Bush administration.