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4/3 Google to lay off 1/4 of its DoubleClick employees. Still
holding on Google from $600-700? Bahahahaha -short G guy
\_ Why are you still happy? GOOG has stopped dropping in the past
couple of weeks and I'm not happy.
\_ How's that short at 100/200/300/400 working out?
\- stock prices usually go up in the short term after
shedding employees, no?
\_ Google keeps fat and you aren't happy. Google cuts fat and
you aren't happy. What would make you happy?
\_ GOOG goes out of business and the sumg little brats with
an overactive sense of entitlement are forced to hold "will
code for food" signs on the San Antonio overpass. :-)
\_ Ah, so you are just jealous.
\_ Ah, no. Google is a perfect example of anti-
meritocracy. Those fucking AdWords kids are one of
the worst engineers to work with and they think they're
all that, when in fact, they simply got lucky and
were at the right place at the right time. Those
fucking brats are fucking unpleasant to work with.
Fuck Google.
Fuck Google. -x G
\_ Sure sounds like jealousy to me.
\_ Then you're dumb. Jealosy is wanting something
somebody else has. pp is just mad that some
people ended up with something they didn't earn
or deserve.
\_ and why didn't they earn or deserve it? pp
provides no evidence.
\_ Pissed off thinks lottery is lame.
Unpissed thinks lottery is perfectly
good meritocracy (you invested, you win).
Both have points.
\_ It's not a lottery.
\_ For employee 1000-4000, it's a lottery.
They could have joined hundreds of
startups that would have been just
as successful, but they happened to
have chosen Google. Most of the
lucky ones would tell you that it's
"fate" or that they had foresight or
something. It's bullshit.
\_ In many (most?) ways it is.
\_ Google just randomly happened to
come up with the best search engine
and the best advertising model? -tom
\_ You are confusing luck with
randomness. Almost all success has
an element of luck, even if you
purposefully try to succeed, rather
than sort of stumble around. It
is only obvious in hindsight that
the Google eigenvalue thing works
well for search (this is the case
for a lot of successful research).
In this sense, Google got lucky.
This is aside from early Google
employees who without a doubt won
the employee lottery. -- ilyas
the employee lottery (in a sense
that if you can do better than
random picking a startup that will
succeed, why aren't you rich yet?)
-- ilyas
\_
1. Not sure it's the best.
2. Not sure GOOG was the only one
to come up with this model.
3. We are not talking about the
founders here. We are talking
about the rank and file. The people
who ended up at GOOG over SUN out
of college weren't any better,
smarter, or prescient. They
made an educated guess about
where it seemed nice to work
and where they could pay their
bills. I've told the story of
the guy I knew who was one of
the first employees at SUN. He
didn't even *want* the job
because it looked like such a
rinky-dink outfit compared to
his former (large) company but
his first choice turned him down.
He would be the first to tell
you that getting that job at
SUN was like winning the lotto.
4. Even considering founders do
you really think Gates or Jobs
really made all of that money
through skill? Are they
skilled? Sure. Has Windows
been the best product on the
market for much of its
existence? No. Did Bill steal
a lot? Yes. Was it Steve Jobs or
was it Wozniak that built that
computer? There are lots of (more)
talented people who don't make
1/100 what those guys do. Be real.
\_ you want some cheese with that
whine? -tom
\_ This is what you say when
confronted with facts?
\_ no, it's what I say when
confronted with content-
free drivel. -tom
\_ In other words,
you have no rebuttal.
Typical.
\_ Funny how it's
always easier to
nitpick at other
people's data than
to come up with
some of your own.
Huh? -!pp
\_ There's no data
there. -tom
\_ Unpissed just thinks it's stupid to care
someone getting something you think
they didn't deserve. Who cares what
they deserve? It doesn't hurt you.
\_ Well I for one was managed by one of
the Google kids who happened to get
lucky and he was one of the WORST
managers I've ever had to work with
and I swear to not work with people
like that again. Unfortunately,
Google seems to breed a lot of bad
or mediocre employees who are loud
mouths who think they're all that and
somehow management seems to like
hiring incompetent loud mouths in
Silicon Valley. So, to answer your
question, a company that breeds
30% really bad managers/engineers
with bad attitudes hurts everyone
in the industry. -x-Goog
\_ Why didn't you go get a job there when they
were hiring?
\_ I can't speak for GHG, but the whole
GOOG culture weirded me out so I didn't
get a job there.
\_ GHG? Isn't it HGG?
\_ GHG -> Google Hater Guy
\_ I declined to even interview there after
taking the tour. The whole thing just
seemed to be designed to keep the workers
at work as long as possible. Of course,
I have a job I love, so I didn't need it.
-jrleek
\_ How does being mad at someone for getting
something you think they don't deserve not
consititute jealousy. It's not like it hurts
you that google employees have good benefits.
Hell, the rising Google tide has lifted all
CS job boats around here. Be glad!
\_ I think it's the attitude they have that
pisses people off, which they develop when
people like Tom laud them for their
amazing intellect and ability to pick red
or black on the roulette wheel.
\_ ding ding ding! some of the original
employees have REALLY bad attitudes
and they're almost as bad as Netscape
employees who used to think they're on
the top of the world and treat everyone
else like inferior shit. You're right
many people today ARE pissed at these
fucking old timers (who are barely 4
years fresh out of college) who are
incompetent but are high up there. -x G |
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