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3/26 NBC/WSJ poll shows Obama has survived the Wright imbroglio relatively
intact. Meanwhile, Hillary's negatives continue to soar.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/26/821438.aspx
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\_ I told you guys a year ago Hillary would never be President and
you laughed at me. Now most of you are here saying how horrible
she is and how she should get get of the race. Hillary hasn't
changed one bit in the last year. Why are all of you bashing
her now?
\_ Please point to the thread where you attacked HC so we can tell
if you were attacking her based on credibility or gender.
\_ Are you totally new here? Except for the last ~8 weeks, the
motd has been all about HRC and her inevitability. My
favorite response to my comments on her unelectability due
to her ridiculously high unfavorability ratings (amusing that
you assume I a) attacked her or b) it was gender based) was
someone who posted a silly url to one of the 'vote with your
money' fake market betting sites. Show me all the rabidly
pro-Obama posts prior to Jan/Dec, or the rabidly anti-HRC
from Dems. Good luck with *that* motd search.
\_ Let me sum up the problem for you: you post anonymously;
there have been a lot of comments against HRC; it becomes
difficult to verify your "I told you so" claim without
knowing which of those comments were yours.
\_ Let me sum up the problem for you: I don't care if you
believe *me* or not. It is not "me vs. the motd!". It
is a simple fact that until very recently the motd was
full of "HRC IS INEVITABLE! CANCEL THE ELECTION! WE
NEED A CORONATION!" types. Now that Obama is winning,
quite suddenly the mood has shifted heavily against her
here, despite the fact that she hasn't changed one bit
from a year ago when this place was full of HRC cheer-
leaders. This has nothing to do with me. I don't give
a damn what you think of me or my track record. I want
to know what caused all these people who very recently
loooooved HRC to turn on her like she was Karl Rove's
pet dog. *She* hasn't changed a bit. You're just
deflecting.
\- Are you so clueless to think there is a "the motd
unified opinion"? Would you care to evaluate
(explode motd). I'm probably as active a motd
editor as any, and I've disliked Hillary Clinton
since at least 1996 [possibly 1993-1994, but
"on the record" since at least 1996].
\_ I still think HRC would beat McCain, but I like
Obama better.
\_ Funny how so many Dems have suddenly turned on her. I didn't
like her then, but I like her now given that Obama is her
opponent.
\_ You would rather see Hillary as president than Obama?
\_ Yes.
\_ No. She still can't win. My dog could beat her in
the general election. Well ok my dog isn't 35 so he can't
run, but if they didn't create anti-dog ageist rules, he
would.
\_ I've been saying forever that Hillary is too
polarizing to win, but people kept pushing her.
Interesting that those same people now think she's
a terrible candidate just because Obama has the
momentum. I think Hillary is terrible, but at least
she has experience in the form of Bill. Obama is
completely green and not ready for primetime. I
get the feeling he turns to Michelle in the morning
and says "Holy fuck! I might be President! Can you
believe that shit?!"
\_ Bill is a sleaze and a low-life but his personal
life and various crimes aside, his actual policies
weren't that bad (about the best you can say about
modern politicians, unfortunately). His wife and
her opposition are both worthless. It amazes me
that either got this far and may actually end up
as PotUS. More amazing to me is the visceral hatred
each camp has towards the other. Their policies are
exactly the same. It's all just identity politics
and has nothing to do with leading the country.
\_ And Bush has been a great president, right?
\_ He "likes" Hillary for the general in the same way that
Rush does.
\_ Because Obama is unqualified?
\_ Stating something repeatedly doesn't make it factual.
\_ What has he ever done? I am not saying
Hillary is super-qualified, but Billary is. |
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| firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/26/821438.aspx Web MSNBC First Read Search ABOUT FIRST READ First Read is an analysis of the day's political news, from the NBC News political unit. First Read is updated throughout the day, so check back often. Polls From NBC's Chuck Todd As expected, one of the two major Democratic candidates saw a downturn in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, but it's not the candidate that you think. Hillary Clinton is sporting the lowest personal ratings of the campaign. Moreover, her 37 percent positive rating is the lowest the NBC/WSJ poll has recorded since March 2001, two months after she was elected to the US Senate from New York. The poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday this week by Hart-McInturff and surveyed 700 registered voters, which gives the poll a margin of error of +/- 37 percent. In addition, we oversampled African-Americans in order to get a more reliable cross-tab on many of the questions we asked in this poll regarding Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race and overall response to last week's Rev. Interestingly, of those voters who said they saw the speech, 47 percent said Obama sufficiently addressed the Wright issue while 37 percent said he needs to address it further. Among whites, 45 percent were satisfied with Obama's explanation, 38 percent were not. Among blacks, 67 percent said the speech was sufficient, while 25 percent want him to address it further. Overall, 55 percent of voters told us that they were "disturbed" by the videos of Wright that circulated so widely on cable TV and the Internet. As for the damage this controversy did or didn't do to Obama, it's a mixed bag. Yes, Obama saw some of his numbers go down slightly among certain voting groups, most notably Republicans. But he's still much more competitive with independent voters when matched up against John McCain than Hillary Clinton is. And he still sports a net-positive personal rating of 49-32, which is down only slightly from two weeks ago, when it was 51-28. Again, the biggest shift in those negative numbers were among Republicans. On one of the most critical questions we've been tracking for a few months, Obama showed resilience. When asked if the three presidential candidates could be successful in uniting the country if they were elected president, 60 percent of all voters believed Obama could be successful at doing this, 58 percent of all voters said McCain could unite the country while only 46 percent of voters said the same about Clinton. All three candidates saw dips on this issue, by the way. In January, 67 percent thought Obama could unite the country; The fact that all three dropped equally in the last three months is a sign that the campaign is becoming more ideological and partisan. In the head-to-head matchups, there weren't huge shifts in the numbers, with Obama and Clinton dead even at 45 percent in the national Democratic primary matchup (a slight increase for Obama from early March). In the general-election matchups, Obama led McCain by 2 points, and McCain led Clinton by 2 points; all margin of error results and nothing to get too excited over. One thing about these head-to-head matchups: Our pollsters found that for the second poll in a row, more than 20 percent of Clinton and Obama supporters say they would support McCain when he's matched up against the other Democrat. There is clearly some hardening of feelings among some of the most core supporters of both Democrats, though it may be Obama voters, who are more bitter in the long run. Because among Obama voters, Clinton has a net-negative personal rating (35-43) while Clinton voters have a net-positive view of Obama (50-29). Taken together, this appears to be evidence that Obama, intially, should have the easier time uniting the party than Clinton. Considering the doom-and-gloom some predicted for Obama with regard to the Wright controversy, the overall tenor of the electorate appears to still be favorable for him. It's not clear whether he'd be this resilient if another controversy exploded as big as Wright, but it appears that voters are giving him the benefit of doubt. There's lots of evidence inside these numbers that voters still would like to know more about Obama, and that is both an opportunity and a potential obstacle. SEND A COMMENT PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others. com): Your website (it's okay if you don't have one): Remember me? |