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| 2008/3/21-25 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:49531 Activity:kinda low |
3/21 "Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they
may ask? Why not join another church?"
That's obama being quoted, the very next line is K saying:
"But that is not the question. The question is, Why didn't he leave
that church?"
Umm, "join another church" implies "leave that church" pretty damn
strongly. Obama spends quite a bit of a 30+ minute speach
answering this question (fairly well imho).
\_ The public agrees with you.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2km3hf [cbs[
\_ that's a bad sign, enough that I'll add here that Ks
"moral equiv." point is (his 1) reasonable (point). -top
"moral equiv." point is (his 1) reasonable (one). -top
\_ Why is it a bad sign? More to the point, What the
HELL are you trying to say. Language is communication.
You should try it sometime.
\_ You misunderstand. It's not "why not join another church now", it's
"why didn't you leave that one as soon as you realized it was crazy".
\_ You misunderstand. It's not "why not join another church now",
it's "why didn't you leave that one as soon as you realized it
was crazy".
\_ Because it wasn't crazy. You should pay more attention. Perhaps
there is more to this church than a few inflammatory sound bites.
\_ Anyone who believes that HIV was CREATED by the USA to kill
the black race is crazy. Just like those who believe the moon
landing was a hoax, etc.
\_ You mean the "crazy radical pastor" who was courted by the
Clintons while they were in the white house, who served as
a Marine, and who attended to LBJ in a hospital while he was
a corpsman?
How about some "fair and balanced" coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
Especially amusing is that "chickens coming home to roost"
was actually him quoting a Fox News commentator!
\_ Was "God Damn the USA" a quote? Was US of KKK-A a quote? Was
his open hatred of white people a quote? No. Sorry, the guy
is a racist nutjob. Doesn't matter what his prior services
was. Funny, he says "we took this country by terrorism".
Yah, that kind of moral relativism doesn't fly.
\_ So you do think only in soundbites. Sorry.
\_ http://urltea.com/2zti [Andrew Sullivan]
Sounds like a good reason to me. Other posts there in this vein.
"I worked four years as a teacher in the Black community in
Oakland in the early 90's and these ideas from Wright's
sermons were endemic." Only way to change them is from the inside.
sermons were endemic." Only way to change them is from the
inside.
\_ http://urltea.com/2ztu [Andrew Sullivan]
Here the full text of Wright's sermon. He was quoting someone else
who said "we took this country by terrorism".
I must say, this sermon is a lot more engaging and interesting than
anything I ever heard as a Catholic.
Here the full text of Wright's sermon. He was quoting someone
else who said "we took this country by terrorism".
I must say, this sermon is a lot more engaging and interesting
than anything I ever heard as a Catholic. |
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| www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml Jeff Greenfield and pollster Frank Luntz tell Maggie Rodriguez that while Sen. Barack Obama\'s speech was exemplary on the subject of race, it may not defuse the Rev. Barack Obama's speech on race this week, in which he discussed his relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his controversial longtime minister, has received largely positive reviews, according to a new CBS News poll. But the percentage of voters who think Obama would unite the country as president has dropped since late February. Sixty-nine percent of voters who have heard or read about Obamas speech say he did a good job addressing the issue of race relations, and 63 percent of voters following the events say they agree with Obama's views on race relations. Seventy-one percent say he did a good job explaining his relationship with Wright. Read The Complete Poll Results When registered voters were asked if Obama would unite the country, however, 52 percent said yes - down from 67 percent last month. Obama's favorable rating, which stands at 43 percent, continues to outweigh his unfavorable rating of 30 percent. Most voters following the events say they will make no difference in their vote. Seventy percent say the events will make no difference in their vote. Among those who said it would, 14 percent said it makes them more likely to vote for Obama while an equal number said it makes them less likely to support him. Nearly a quarter of Democrats say the events have made them more likely to back Obama, while a similar number of Republicans say they are now less likely to do so. Three in four independents say the events make no difference, and the remainder are nearly evenly split between those more likely to support him and those less likely to do so. For this poll, CBS News re-interviewed voters who were first surveyed between March 15th and 18th, 2008, in the midst of the Wright controversy and mostly before Obamas speech on race. The goal was to gauge their reactions to Tuesdays speech and the continuing controversy over Wrights comments. For more on this poll, watch the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric tonight. John McCain before the speech, 23 percent say they are now more likely to support the Illinois senator. Just six percent are less likely to support him, while 69 percent say it makes no difference. Overall, the speech and events surrounding the matter have found a wide audience. Most voters say they have heard or read some about these events, including 42 percent who have heard a lot about it. Just four percent of those surveyed had not heard about the controversy. Interviews were conducted among 542 registered voters by telephone on March 20, 2008. These respondents were originally interviewed in a CBS News Poll conducted March 15 - 18, 2008. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus four percentage points. |
| preview.tinyurl.com/2km3hf -> www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml Jeff Greenfield and pollster Frank Luntz tell Maggie Rodriguez that while Sen. Barack Obama\'s speech was exemplary on the subject of race, it may not defuse the Rev. Barack Obama's speech on race this week, in which he discussed his relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his controversial longtime minister, has received largely positive reviews, according to a new CBS News poll. But the percentage of voters who think Obama would unite the country as president has dropped since late February. Sixty-nine percent of voters who have heard or read about Obamas speech say he did a good job addressing the issue of race relations, and 63 percent of voters following the events say they agree with Obama's views on race relations. Seventy-one percent say he did a good job explaining his relationship with Wright. Read The Complete Poll Results When registered voters were asked if Obama would unite the country, however, 52 percent said yes - down from 67 percent last month. Obama's favorable rating, which stands at 43 percent, continues to outweigh his unfavorable rating of 30 percent. Most voters following the events say they will make no difference in their vote. Seventy percent say the events will make no difference in their vote. Among those who said it would, 14 percent said it makes them more likely to vote for Obama while an equal number said it makes them less likely to support him. Nearly a quarter of Democrats say the events have made them more likely to back Obama, while a similar number of Republicans say they are now less likely to do so. Three in four independents say the events make no difference, and the remainder are nearly evenly split between those more likely to support him and those less likely to do so. For this poll, CBS News re-interviewed voters who were first surveyed between March 15th and 18th, 2008, in the midst of the Wright controversy and mostly before Obamas speech on race. The goal was to gauge their reactions to Tuesdays speech and the continuing controversy over Wrights comments. For more on this poll, watch the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric tonight. John McCain before the speech, 23 percent say they are now more likely to support the Illinois senator. Just six percent are less likely to support him, while 69 percent say it makes no difference. Overall, the speech and events surrounding the matter have found a wide audience. Most voters say they have heard or read some about these events, including 42 percent who have heard a lot about it. Just four percent of those surveyed had not heard about the controversy. Interviews were conducted among 542 registered voters by telephone on March 20, 2008. These respondents were originally interviewed in a CBS News Poll conducted March 15 - 18, 2008. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus four percentage points. |
| www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ Filter videos that may not be suitable for minors Note: some videos not suitable for minors may still appear in search results. Barack Obama Pastor Wright Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Good comment Marked as spam Reply There is another study that shows CONSERVATIVES have a hard Time Adapting to Change "STAY THE COURSE" and are MORE likely to FOLLOW an AUTHORITARIAN LEADER. They must be DYING for the GOVERNMENT to BE THEIR DADDY'S. Good comment Marked as spam Reply I really have had enough with these racist Fox News viewers. If you hate him that much, please take your hate somewhere else. The people who are really paying attention are sick of you. You & your little Fox News groupies can continue to spread hate, but what I want for my children is the chance to be able to grow up without the disgusting, close-minded judgements that you hold. Good comment Marked as spam Reply I am certain that even if you combine all of the pastors sermons for over 20 years and cherrie pick and mix the sound bites to death, they will pale in comparison to, and eclipsed by, the shadow-racism and pseudo-patriotism that FoxNews spews out everyday. They will eventually and surely turn the Republican Banner into a modern day version of the Confederate flag. |
| urltea.com/2zti -> andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/goodbye-to-all.html Chris Caldwell's point: I worked four years as a teacher in the Black community in Oakland in the early 90's and these ideas from Wright's sermons were endemic. To me the remarkable thing about Obama is that he has positioned himself, and set as a goal for himself, to lead Black culture towards one of participation and non-victimization. You can't do that if you're not participating as a member of the Black community, whatever state you find it in. And here come many conservatives with a message to marginalize the Black community further. That, or putting into a position of leadership someone who has really heard and understood all these arguments in the Black community, disagrees with them and says so and yet is still respected there, and asks young Black men to take responsibility and shows how it's possible to live a decent life in America? |
| urltea.com/2ztu -> andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/the-wright-post.html#more I still do not find it appropriate, and still do not agree with it. But it is not what Hannity and Ingraham and the other talk show thugs of the far right have been saying. Read it and make your own mind up: "Every public service of worship I have heard about so far in the wake of the American tragedy has had in its prayers and in its preachments, sympathy and compassion for those who were killed and for their families, and God's guidance upon the selected Presidents and upon our war machine, as they do what they do and what they gotta do -- paybacks. There's a move in Psalm 137 from thoughts of paying tithes to thoughts of paying back, A move, if you will from worship to war, a move in other words from the worship of th God of creation to war against those whom God Created. One of the reasons this Psalm is rarely read, in its entirety, because it is a move that spotlights the insanity of the cycle of violence and the cycle of hatred. Blessed are they who dash your baby's brains against a rock. And that, my beloved, is a dangerous place to be, yet that is where the people of faith are in the 551BC, and that is where far too many people of faith are in 2001 AD. We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents. We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process. Now I asked the Lord, what should our response be in light of such an unthinkable act, but before I share with you what the Lord shared with me I want to give you one of my little faith footnotes. Visitors, I often give little faith footnotes, so that our members don't lose sight of the big picture, let me give you a faith footnote. Did anybody else see him or hear him, he was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. We took this country, by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arrowak (phonetic) the Comanche, the Arapajo, the Navajo. Terrorism--we took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians -- babies, non-military personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with Stealth Bombers and killed unarmed teenagers, and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working father. We bombed Iraq, we killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed the plant in Sudan to payback for the attack on our embassy -- killed hundreds of hard working people --mothers and fathers, who left home to go that day, not knowing they'd never get back home. We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school -- civilians not soldiers. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and South Africa and now we are indignant? Because the stuff we have done overseas is brought back into our own front yard. A White ambassador said that, y'all, not a black militant. Not a Reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open, and whose trying to get us to wake up, and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them, and we need to come to grips with that. Let me stop my faith footnote right there, and ask you to think about that over the next few weeks if God grants us that many days. Turn back to your neighbor, and say, "Footnote is over." C'mon back to my question to the Lord, "What should our response be right now. I asked the Lord that question Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. No flights were leaving La Guardia, JFK, or Newark Airport. On the day tht the FAA opened up the airports to bring into the destinations of cities those flights that had been diverted because of the hijacking, a scare in New York close all three regional airports and I couldn't even get her for Mr Radford's father's funeral. people jumping from the roof because the stair wells and elevators above the 89th floor were gone-- no more. But this is a different time, this is a different enemy, a different world, a different terror. What should our response be, and the Lord showed me three things. Let me share them with you quickly and I'm gonna leave you alone to think about the faith footnote. Number one: The Lord showed me that this is a time for self-examination. As I sat 900 miles away from my family and my community of faith, two months after my own father's death, God showed me that this was a time for me to examine my relationship with God. MY own relationship with God-- personal relationship with God. Folk flocked to the church in New Jersey last week, you know that foxhole-religion syndrome kicked in, that emergency chord religion, you know that little red box you pull in emergency? Folk who aint thought about coming to church in years, were in church last week. I heard that mid-week prayer services all over this country which are poorly attended fifty-one week a year were jam packed all over the nation the week of the hijacking the 52nd week. But the Lord said, this aint the time for you to be examining other folks relationship this is a time of self examination. But the Lord said, "How is "our" relationship doing Jeremiah? How often do you talked to me personally, how often do you let me talk to you privately? How much time do you spend trying to get right with me, or do you spend all your time trying to get other folk right? This is a time for me to examine my own relationship with God. Is is something that you do for the sake of the public or is it something that you do for the sake of eternity? |