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2008/3/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:49404 Activity:nil 88%like:49402
3/10    Why there won't be a second Florida primary:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/2yz4s2 [new republic]
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Tallahassee--Will there be a do-over Democratic nominating contest in Florida? Florida legislators are currently in their annual legislative session, looking under sofa cushions and in car ashtrays for ways to plug a $500 million hole in the current budget, and a $2 billion gap in the budget that starts this summer. They're at the point where they're actually discussing line items in the thousands of dollars. What are the chances they will suddenly decide that a second election, for 40 percent of the state's registered voters, is worth $20 million of taxpayer money? Neither the Florida Democratic Party nor the Democratic National Committee wants to spend $20 million, either. Governor Charlie Crist is a Republican, and his party has near two-to-one margins in both legislative chambers. Florida's January 29 primary did exactly what Florida Republicans hoped it would do: put them at the center of the political universe for a week and give Crist a national lift. 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