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2/27 Global Warming Kills:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2hlu2v (newscientist.com)
\_ Given my choice between the earth warming a few degrees and the
earth cooling the same amount, I'll take warming every time.
Cold is bad for people. Warm is mostly good for people.
\_ Climate change is bad, period. I haven't contemplated
the difference between cooling and warming, but having
to abandon 100 trillion dollars worth of infrastructure
(basically every coastal city) because it gets flooded
due to sea level rise sucks very badly. Also,
desertification of once productive farmland (even if
other lands become available...)
\_ Or, in CS words, we've optimized for the current climate, it
\_ Or, in CS words, we've optimized for the current climate, if
the climate changes, we have to reoptimize, which takes a
long time.
\_ Climate change isn't new. It's been colder and it's been
warmer. We are better able now than ever to deal with
it so the transition will be easier than ever.
\_ prove it.
\_ Prove what? That the climate has changed before?
\_ That we're better able to deal with it. Have
we had 2-foot sea level rises with many of the
world centers being on coastlines at sea level?
\_ Better able to deal with climate change as
compared to when? 50 years ago? Yes. 500?
Yes. The Roman era? Yes. 10k BC? Yes.
Technology has made it possible for more people
to live better lives across the entire planet
today than at any time no matter what the
local conditions are compared to the same
conditions with lower tech. Was this even a
serious question?
\_ A greater portion of the world's population
is living in seriously marginal conditions
than ever before.
\_ Uh, no. -- ilyas |
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| preview.tinyurl.com/2hlu2v -> environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19726444.800-global-warming-twice-as-lethal-as-previously-assumed.html?feedId=online-news_rss20 Advertising Increased air pollution could make global warming an even bigger killer. A new study reveals that air pollution associated with elevated carbon dioxide levels is already responsible for around 22,000 deaths every year. When these are added to casualties from extreme weather events, it doubles the number of fatalities that can be linked to global warming. increases the temperature and water vapour content of the atmosphere, which in turn accelerate ozone production and encourage particulates to hang around in the air. "Increased ozone causes respiratory illnesses, while particulate matter causes cardiovascular disease," he says. emissions accelerating, the problem will get worse, says Jacobson. Climate Change - Want to know more about global warming: the science, impacts and political debate? From issue 2644 of New Scientist magazine, 27 February 2008, page 16 Add a comment Comment subject Comment No HTML except lower case italic tags or lower case bold tags, please: <i> or <b> Your name Your email We need your email in case we need to contact you about the comment. REPLY Global Warming By David Wed Feb 20 20:19:53 GMT 2008 You are insane. What about all the deaths from the cold winter this year.. Again you get your theories from bad models and no real data. REPLY Global Warming By Jon Maynard Thu Feb 21 02:53:51 GMT 2008 It is not about local events. Last summer for the first time the Northwest Passage became navigable. The entire north ice cap for the first time melted loose from its land boundaries and was circumnavigated by a couple Russian ships. It is estimated that in a few more years the entire arctic ice will melt during summer. The permafrost in the tundra is now melting faster in the summer than it can refreeze in the winter. In the Alps there are any number of glaciers and skiing areas that are going away for good. With the ice melt, a meter or so rise in the sea level will make many areas of the world uninhabitable. What should we do with the hundreds of millions who will have to abandon their homes because of the increase of the sea level? The meter or so rise in the sea level will also raise havoc with the inhabited lands along the seashore everywhere including Europe and the Americas. If the Antarctic ice, which lies on solid ground, melts we can expect a sea level rise from 70 to 90 feet. So what is anyones recommendation that we do about these coming events? REPLY Global Warming By Gd It may not be about local events, but things seem to change. Perhaps more rapidly than we imagine or because we hold on to ideas without keeping up on new data. According to another study, we all know there are studies that can show just about any side of an issue, all the artic ice is back. VIEW THREAD >> Global Warming By Dr Who Mon Feb 25 19:21:21 GMT 2008 Hi, i do not see that big of a problem with global warming, 1 We will have hot summers 2 We will have snow in winters! Australia has been in the grip of one of the worst droughts in history over the last 10 years. Thousands of animals starving to death as there is no food. People are selling land that has been in their family for generations. Hotter summers in australia = +40deg C And I'm sure china are just loving the blizzards... VIEW THREAD >> Global Warming By Adam Wed Feb 27 14:54:08 GMT 2008 I'm quite sure the author is right. But to say 1000 deaths per degree temp rise is simply stupid. And that obvious error makes me wonder how much else is wrong with the hypothesis. REPLY Global Warming By Jeremy Wed Feb 27 22:06:20 GMT 2008 It's raining right now, coming down at about an inch every two hours. That's thirty feet of rain per month---we'll all be inundated! What the global warming lunatics don't consider is balance. All thrive in cold temperatures and climates, especially respiratory viruses which humans are most susceptible to. Most people in North America and Europe would enjoy it a few degrees warmer and there would be more agricultural production. By Sol Shapiro Thu Feb 21 21:05:24 GMT 2008 All this handwringing about global warming; but the environmental community refuses to speak of the ability to stop global warming in short order using geengineeirng approaches such as decreasing incoming solar flux with high altitude particulates or increasing the Earth's albedo. Oh and the reason that access to fresh water isn't so important is that the whole world doesn't die. Hence global warming is higher up the list of 'give a damn'. |
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