2/21 Just curious, what was Al Gore's plan to save the earth from
global warming? And which candidate is closest to Al Gore's
policies?
\_ McCain loves the environment, I think.
\_ I dont recall Al having any plans to save it or stop global
warming, just spread lots of fear and alarm about it being a
problem.
\_ I thought it had something to do with the Kyoto Protocol.
\_ His plan was to profit from liberal-guilt. And what policies
of his do you mean? He's been in the private sector since 2001.
\_ If you're not just trolling:
http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction -tom
\_ I want credit for driving members of the Casual Carpool every
day. --erikred
\_ Why does living in California lower my footprint?
\_ weather. and maybe regulations, energy sources etc.
\_ Ok, just energy sources. I guess weather is accounted in
the monthly bills amounts.
\_ "Location: Electricity is generated from different types of
power plants, such as coal, natural gas, and hydroelectric.
Different types of power plants create different amounts of
carbon dioxide per kilowatt hour of electricity produced;
therefore we need to know the user's location to apply the
correct calculation."
\_ All motd posts are trolls, except for this one.
\_ My carbon impact is .65, cool.
\_ That's very good! I drive a Prius and I still get 2.9. :-(
\_ keyword: usually.
\_ Mine was 1.85 and I don't give a crap about the environment.
\_ Mine was 1.6 and I don't give a crap about the environment.
I wonder what Al Gore's score is.
\_ Mine was 2.45, almost entirely based on plane flights.
(I don't drive and have solar power for my house). -tom
\_ What about all the sushi you eat flown in from Japan
and the waste from all the foam cartons that are
manufactured for the comic books you have shipped
monthly to your home from Tennessee? These simplistic
calculators are just meant to make you feel good/bad.
\_ Mine was 24.8. I feel great. Of course the calculator
is silly. You can't punch in a dozen numbers into a
javascript on the web and get a serious number out.
GIGO.
\_ I can't even imagine how you got such a high score.
I tried putting in a 1985 SUV with 20k miles/yr
and 10 flights a year and I still only got 16.
Do you fly a lot on business or something?
\_ I drive a V8 20k+ miles/year. And worth every
penny.
\_ It looks like your lifestyle might be
particularly impacted if the US implements
a carbon tax, as looks increasingly likely.
\_ The economy is going to super-tank if a
carbon tax passes. Paying $8/gallon will
be the least of anyone's worries at that
point. I could drive a toy that got twice
the mileage but the actual savings is
rather minimal, even at triple the price
of gas.
\_ A $5/gallon carbon tax would probably
not be feasable, at least not all at once,
this is true, but gasoline went up over
$1/gallon without causing a recession.
As long as it is done graduatlly, people
As long as it is done gradually, people
and the economy will adjust. Why do you
object to poisoning the water with
mercury, but think that leaving a
damaged atmosphere for someone else
to clean up is okay?
to clean up is okay? What makes you
think that a carbon tax would "super-tank"
the economy, anyway?
\_ Worth every penny that you're not paying.
You are a tragedy of the commons!
\_ I could drive a prius which cost only
a tiny bit less than my car and leave a
giant battery behind in 5 years for someone
else to clean up. Way to go, greenboy.
Have you swapped out your bulbs for the
mercury filled ones yet? Another smart
move. Or maybe put solar on your house
which requires toxic industrial processes
to produce those low efficiency solar cells?
I'm all in favor of green solutions that
actually work. When we get some I'll be
the first to use them.
\_ This is not GIGO. It is GO, but not GI. The input
is not garbage. The computation is garbage, and
therefore the output is garbage.
\_ The input is GI. For example, my electric bill
is not directly related to my carbon use because
electrical use uses tiered pricing. My usage goes
up linearly but not my carbon use. If it asked
what my actually amount of electricy used was then
maybe it wouldn't be so heavily GI.
\_ Why do you say that? Aren't the main contributors
of greenhouse gases personal transportation and
home energy use? I guess it might miss the
occasional person who burns a lot of wood at home
or something. Or do you have evidence that the
way they are calculating C0^2 emissions is actually
flawed?
way they are calculating C0^2 emissions is
actually flawed?
\_ Yes, it is flawed. See my reply above re:
electric pricing.
\_ I am guessing that industry and commercial
transport are bigger contributors, but
that's just a guess.
\_ It looks like it is about 50%/50%:
http://www.aceee.org/transportation/transoverview.htm
\_ By "industry" I meant energy used in
manufacturing and by commercial buildings,
not just transportation. Your link
says residential is 22% of energy use,
but clearly some unspecified % of
the 28% transportation use is also
manufacturing and by commercial
buildings, not just transportation.
Your link says residential is 22% of
energy use, but clearly some unspecified
% of the 28% transportation use is also
"residential" and not commercial. If
we say it is 50% (not sure how real
that is) it means maybe 36% is
directly under our control and the
rest is driven by our demands.
\_ Yes, I see that. You are obviously
right. |
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