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2/6 Does it cost a lot to replace tires on a Prius? Do the low-rolloing-
resistance tires cost more than ordinary tires?
\- according to my prius associates, it was $600 to replace theirs.
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Get the ComforTreads, comfy and nice, just 2-3MPG less. |
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| priuschat.com/forums/fuel-economy/41166-tire-replacement-dilemma-2.html View Post Well, I 'm not sure what replacement tires I'll get after the OEM's wear out but I just might stick with them. The Goodyear comfort tread seems the closest to the originals. Thanks FishHawk I found a Tech article on TireRack that contends that rolling resistance may be blown a bit out of proportion. In the article, they compare figures of a high resistance high perf. If you figure most tires are somewhere in the middle of the sticky high perf. the standard All-season, whatever you save in gas may be eaten up by extra cost. View Post I spent much too much time trying to determine which replacement tire to buy, however, I just ordered Michelin PRIMACY MSV4's. Both my wife and I HATED the Goodyear Integrity OEMs because they were very very noisey at highway speeds; at the Toyota recommended PSI they gave a very harsh ride; In fact, the only two complaints which I have had with the 2004 Prius is the noisey tires (even with windows up and A/C on) and the difficulty in starting and completing fueling-up. Otherwise I just love it, especially now that gasolene prices are so high! In case you are interested in why I bought one of the more expensive "Deluxe Touring All-Season" tires, believe me, it was not an easy decision. I think one of these new tires installed will cost me as much as the four tires I last bought for another car! I wanted the following key capabilities: 1) quiet and smooth riding, even over moderate road blemishes; I read the information carefully in Consumer Reports, on-line tire shops, and on some Prius chatrooms. Every time I thought that I was ready to pick one, I realized that it was weak in one or more of the previous selection criteria. I spent a lot of my research concentrating on "performance" tires, and on over-sized tires to have a larger selection, before I realized that "performance" tires would likely fail in my first criteria, "quiet and smooth handling", and two Toyota dealerships really disuaded me from buying over-sized tires. That brought me to researching "Touring" tires in the original. When I read that the Michelin PRIMACY MXV4 tires were rated the "premier tire among premier tires", and studied the test results, I decided that I had to buy them. By the way, if one buys them (or other Michelin tires, between 1/7 & 2/3/08 at a Costco's, you can save a lot of money, including a month-long discount. We don't have one close enough, and we never shop there, so I ended up ordering them from a highly rated local tire store. Sorry for the long story, but I felt that you might benefit from reading all the details and thus be able to skip some of the steps in your own search. I did what Toyota asked and went back to front with out crossing. My tires on the right (passenger) side arre still good but the left side is worn on the outside edge. If I had done this I woudl have gotten 40M on my original Goodyear's I have ordered Michelin PRIMACY MSV4'S,like you I read all the info and found I could not get better. Paid $106 installed and balanced at Piedmont Tire, Piedmont SC and will get them some time next week. After approx 1000 miles I can say I do have at least a 2 mpg loss in mileage. I have increased air pressure to 42/40 but still the 2 mpg loss. Boo's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 627 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: #2 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. I don't know why you think you will take a 5-10 mpg hit with better gripping (but higher rolling resistance) tires. A lot of us have gotten wider and better gripping tires and only experienced a 0-3 mpg hit. I have them in the wider 195/60/15 size, and as far as I can tell, I'm only experiencing about a 1-2 mpg hit. Meanwhile, they grip like glue on dry and wet roads, and grip about as well as an all season tire is going to grip on snow and ice. Besides the Goodyear Assurance TripleTreds, there are lots of passenger all season tires available like the Goodyear Assurance ComforTreds you mentioned, the Michelin HydroEdge, the Michelin Harmony (called Destiny at Discount Tire), which perform much better and longer than the Integrity, and which should not result in much of a mpg hit. If you haven't done so already, I recommend checking out nyprius' excellent thread on the subject, entitled "Tire Upgrade: Lessons Learned". You should at minimum read nyprius' excellent initial post on the subject. com Black License Plate Screw Bumpers, Wheelskins Black/Char. com Black Leather Center Console Cover, Rubber Queen Gray Center-Hump Litter Basket, eBay Neoprene Non-Slip Pads, Dalmatian Bobble Heads. gtstokes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: North Georgia Posts: 2 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #8 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. I would like some feedback from folks on whether I should upgrade to a larger size (195/60). I really need new tires and am looking at Good Year Assurance Triple Tread, Kumho Solus KR21 and Michelin Primacy MXV4. I have read most of the previous threads on the topic of tires and am still totally confused! Does anyone have experience with these brands at the larger size 195/60? We get a little snow and ice ocassionally here in North Georgia. About 70k total miles on my 2006 Compared to the Goodyear CT (lasted 68k ! Michelins are a MILLION times quieter, like about 15 dB using my PDA sound pressure software(very approximent). Gas mileage : maybe a 1-2 mpg hit, it's hard to tell with the weather going from 32 -62 F in a few days over the last 2 weeks. BlackPri08's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: central Indiana Posts: 30 My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #4 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. I've been researching the tire issue the last couple of weeks also. I made the decision to ge ahead and invest in a top notch tire. They are also giving me $25/tire for my existing GY Integreties that came on the car, which is one reason I decided to purchase now, while my existing tires were worth something. My total investment will be under $400 for Michelin Destinies. Given the importance of the tires relative to safety and driving experience, I believe it is a no-brainer to invest in a decent tire. Maybe next set I'll try the 195/60, but I wanted to see how these do with mpg first. sugar land dave's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: houston Posts: 17 My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #2 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. Yet another reason to take mileage with a grain of salt. Different tire sizes produce different mpg readings despite using the same amount of gasoline. I believe the 195/60 gives a mpg reading closer to the actual. aubergaz's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 26 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #7 Default New Tires Just Shy of 36k Just took the plunge today after a week or so of casual shopping. Didn't need replacement right away, but have an upcoming trip to LAX from PHX and back over a 3 day period and didn't want to push my luck. Evaluated the Goodyear Comfrot Treads because of positive things read here. Discount Tire had them, but felt that the Michelin Destiny was comprable, (in fact they told me the Goodyear product was a direct response to the Destiny tire) but better suited to our summer weather because of the silicon base. With the full Discount Tire lifelong replacement for road hazards and the regular Michelin warranty I was out the door for $524 total including all taxes and still have a $60 dollar rebate coming from Michelin. Just got the 6/100K warranty through Troy so I'm betting this will be the last tire I need on this Prius. Will provide input on how I like them and what, if any effect on mileage. |
| priuschat.com/forums/prius-main-forum/34100-tires-michelin-destiny-s.html Blue-Adept Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 96 My Car: Package: Default I just replaced the crappy stock Goodyear tires with Michelin Destiny's. My only question is has anyone else lost MPG when they changed tires? I live in Grand Rapids MI and go up and down hills everytime I drive. Now I am down to 44-45 MPG Has anyone else tried these tires and lost MPG? Vincent's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 393 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #8 Default Blue-Adept I had a similar drop when I switched to Goodyear ComforTreads. All new tires need some break in time and few tires seem to get the MPG's of the crappy Integrities. Give your new tires a few thousand miles and a few extra pounds of tire pressure (I'm at 39/37) and you'll be right back to your 46-48 MPG I can't believe Toyota put those loud, low wearing, poor wet handling Integrities on their flagship "techno-car". Blue-Adept Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 96 My Car: Package: Default The lower mileage also be that I bought gas from a differnt station. |
| preview.tinyurl.com/yvl7zt -> priuschat.com/forums/fuel-economy/41166-tire-replacement-dilemma-2.html View Post Well, I 'm not sure what replacement tires I'll get after the OEM's wear out but I just might stick with them. The Goodyear comfort tread seems the closest to the originals. Thanks FishHawk I found a Tech article on TireRack that contends that rolling resistance may be blown a bit out of proportion. In the article, they compare figures of a high resistance high perf. If you figure most tires are somewhere in the middle of the sticky high perf. the standard All-season, whatever you save in gas may be eaten up by extra cost. View Post I spent much too much time trying to determine which replacement tire to buy, however, I just ordered Michelin PRIMACY MSV4's. Both my wife and I HATED the Goodyear Integrity OEMs because they were very very noisey at highway speeds; at the Toyota recommended PSI they gave a very harsh ride; In fact, the only two complaints which I have had with the 2004 Prius is the noisey tires (even with windows up and A/C on) and the difficulty in starting and completing fueling-up. Otherwise I just love it, especially now that gasolene prices are so high! In case you are interested in why I bought one of the more expensive "Deluxe Touring All-Season" tires, believe me, it was not an easy decision. I think one of these new tires installed will cost me as much as the four tires I last bought for another car! I wanted the following key capabilities: 1) quiet and smooth riding, even over moderate road blemishes; I read the information carefully in Consumer Reports, on-line tire shops, and on some Prius chatrooms. Every time I thought that I was ready to pick one, I realized that it was weak in one or more of the previous selection criteria. I spent a lot of my research concentrating on "performance" tires, and on over-sized tires to have a larger selection, before I realized that "performance" tires would likely fail in my first criteria, "quiet and smooth handling", and two Toyota dealerships really disuaded me from buying over-sized tires. That brought me to researching "Touring" tires in the original. When I read that the Michelin PRIMACY MXV4 tires were rated the "premier tire among premier tires", and studied the test results, I decided that I had to buy them. By the way, if one buys them (or other Michelin tires, between 1/7 & 2/3/08 at a Costco's, you can save a lot of money, including a month-long discount. We don't have one close enough, and we never shop there, so I ended up ordering them from a highly rated local tire store. Sorry for the long story, but I felt that you might benefit from reading all the details and thus be able to skip some of the steps in your own search. I did what Toyota asked and went back to front with out crossing. My tires on the right (passenger) side arre still good but the left side is worn on the outside edge. If I had done this I woudl have gotten 40M on my original Goodyear's I have ordered Michelin PRIMACY MSV4'S,like you I read all the info and found I could not get better. Paid $106 installed and balanced at Piedmont Tire, Piedmont SC and will get them some time next week. After approx 1000 miles I can say I do have at least a 2 mpg loss in mileage. I have increased air pressure to 42/40 but still the 2 mpg loss. Boo's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 627 My Car: 2007 Prius Package: #2 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. I don't know why you think you will take a 5-10 mpg hit with better gripping (but higher rolling resistance) tires. A lot of us have gotten wider and better gripping tires and only experienced a 0-3 mpg hit. I have them in the wider 195/60/15 size, and as far as I can tell, I'm only experiencing about a 1-2 mpg hit. Meanwhile, they grip like glue on dry and wet roads, and grip about as well as an all season tire is going to grip on snow and ice. Besides the Goodyear Assurance TripleTreds, there are lots of passenger all season tires available like the Goodyear Assurance ComforTreds you mentioned, the Michelin HydroEdge, the Michelin Harmony (called Destiny at Discount Tire), which perform much better and longer than the Integrity, and which should not result in much of a mpg hit. If you haven't done so already, I recommend checking out nyprius' excellent thread on the subject, entitled "Tire Upgrade: Lessons Learned". You should at minimum read nyprius' excellent initial post on the subject. com Black License Plate Screw Bumpers, Wheelskins Black/Char. com Black Leather Center Console Cover, Rubber Queen Gray Center-Hump Litter Basket, eBay Neoprene Non-Slip Pads, Dalmatian Bobble Heads. gtstokes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: North Georgia Posts: 2 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #8 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. I would like some feedback from folks on whether I should upgrade to a larger size (195/60). I really need new tires and am looking at Good Year Assurance Triple Tread, Kumho Solus KR21 and Michelin Primacy MXV4. I have read most of the previous threads on the topic of tires and am still totally confused! Does anyone have experience with these brands at the larger size 195/60? We get a little snow and ice ocassionally here in North Georgia. About 70k total miles on my 2006 Compared to the Goodyear CT (lasted 68k ! Michelins are a MILLION times quieter, like about 15 dB using my PDA sound pressure software(very approximent). Gas mileage : maybe a 1-2 mpg hit, it's hard to tell with the weather going from 32 -62 F in a few days over the last 2 weeks. BlackPri08's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: central Indiana Posts: 30 My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #4 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. I've been researching the tire issue the last couple of weeks also. I made the decision to ge ahead and invest in a top notch tire. They are also giving me $25/tire for my existing GY Integreties that came on the car, which is one reason I decided to purchase now, while my existing tires were worth something. My total investment will be under $400 for Michelin Destinies. Given the importance of the tires relative to safety and driving experience, I believe it is a no-brainer to invest in a decent tire. Maybe next set I'll try the 195/60, but I wanted to see how these do with mpg first. sugar land dave's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: houston Posts: 17 My Car: 2008 Prius Package: #2 Default Re: Tire replacement dilemma. Yet another reason to take mileage with a grain of salt. Different tire sizes produce different mpg readings despite using the same amount of gasoline. I believe the 195/60 gives a mpg reading closer to the actual. aubergaz's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 26 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #7 Default New Tires Just Shy of 36k Just took the plunge today after a week or so of casual shopping. Didn't need replacement right away, but have an upcoming trip to LAX from PHX and back over a 3 day period and didn't want to push my luck. Evaluated the Goodyear Comfrot Treads because of positive things read here. Discount Tire had them, but felt that the Michelin Destiny was comprable, (in fact they told me the Goodyear product was a direct response to the Destiny tire) but better suited to our summer weather because of the silicon base. With the full Discount Tire lifelong replacement for road hazards and the regular Michelin warranty I was out the door for $524 total including all taxes and still have a $60 dollar rebate coming from Michelin. Just got the 6/100K warranty through Troy so I'm betting this will be the last tire I need on this Prius. Will provide input on how I like them and what, if any effect on mileage. |
| preview.tinyurl.com/yv6l4c -> priuschat.com/forums/prius-main-forum/34100-tires-michelin-destiny-s.html Blue-Adept Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 96 My Car: Package: Default I just replaced the crappy stock Goodyear tires with Michelin Destiny's. My only question is has anyone else lost MPG when they changed tires? I live in Grand Rapids MI and go up and down hills everytime I drive. Now I am down to 44-45 MPG Has anyone else tried these tires and lost MPG? Vincent's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 393 My Car: 2006 Prius Package: #8 Default Blue-Adept I had a similar drop when I switched to Goodyear ComforTreads. All new tires need some break in time and few tires seem to get the MPG's of the crappy Integrities. Give your new tires a few thousand miles and a few extra pounds of tire pressure (I'm at 39/37) and you'll be right back to your 46-48 MPG I can't believe Toyota put those loud, low wearing, poor wet handling Integrities on their flagship "techno-car". Blue-Adept Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 96 My Car: Package: Default The lower mileage also be that I bought gas from a differnt station. |
| priuschat.com DaveG @ Yesterday, 11:53 PM Toyota Motor said on Tuesday that it would double the number of hybrid cars in its vehicle lineup soon after 2010, renewing its endorsement of the technology as critical to reducing pollution and oil dependence. uk "Our insiders have blown the cover on a turbocharged prototype which is being tested in Japan. Auto Express was the first magazine to reveal plans for a 100mpg-plus successor to the Prius in issue 904 - and n ... html The previous Estima Hybrid was called THS-C and it was a parallel hybrid, but the new Estima Hybrid is based on the HSD(THS-II) technology. It is basically used the Camry Hybrid 24L power train in front and the RX400/Highlander AWD motor in rear. Orf @ Jun 9 2006, 09:10 PM I have never been an aggressive driver but I do like to get from A to B as quickly as possible, that was until I bought a Prius. I always used to drive on the speed limit (sometimes + a little bit) where conditions allowed. I am a safe driver having driven for 57 years without an accident (touch wood and cross my fingers). It used to irk me to sit at traffic lights waiting for them to change to green, partly due to hearing my petrol money being wasted. articleID=12404 Excerpts: "The Toyota Prius automatically switches off its petrol engine as the car comes to rest and sits silently in traffic until the traffic light turns green, at which point it ac ... As this ScienCentral News video explains, researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are developing a battery that could do just that, and also might never need to be replaced. The Past is Future As our portable devices get more high-tech, the batteries that power them can seem to lag behind. PriusDad @ Jun 9 2006, 12:10 AM Although its future looks brightthe cost and energy required to create hydrogen has taken it out of the running as a near-term energy alternative to oil. Researchers at GEs Global Research lab in Niskayuna, NY, have developed a system that produces hydrogen at a fraction of the cost and could be available commercially in just a few years... html Growing demand for hybrid vehicles putting some models in scarce supply Earle Eldridge, The Examiner Jun 8, 2006 7:00 AM (13 hrs ago) BALTIMORE - Maryland ranks third in the US in sales of hybrid vehicles, and with the spike in gasoline prices, hybrid vehicle deman ... |