Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 48733
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2007/12/3-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:48733 Activity:moderate
12/3    Perot was right:
        http://www.csua.org/u/k50 (SF Gate)
        \_ about what, dubya being an idiot?
        \_ Ron Paul > Perot
         \_ Damning with faint praise?
          \_ What was bad about Perot? Was Clinton better?
             \_ <doubletake> Huh?!?
                \_ It's R code. A vote for perot was a vote for clinton.
                   \_ Perot was a protest vote for those who thought the
                      party was drifting.  The contract with america was
                      the response to that protest. Then it all fell to shit.
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Georgia (default) Verdana Times New Roman Arial (12-03) 11:37 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) -- Like a ticking time bomb, the national debt is an explosion waiting to happen. It means almost $30,000 in debt for each man, woman, child and infant in the United States. Even if you've escaped the recent housing and credit crunches and are coping with rising fuel prices, you may still be headed for economic misery, along with the rest of the country. And like homeowners who took out adjustable-rate mortgages, the government faces the prospect of seeing this debt -- now at relatively low interest rates -- rolling over to higher rates, multiplying the financial pain. So long as somebody is willing to keep loaning the US government money, the debt is largely out of sight, out of mind. 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