11/30 http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/11/30/hostin.abortion.pill.cnn
Totally awesome man. Spike your mistress' drink with abortion pills
and get jailed for killing unborn child.
\_ What charges do you think were appropriate?
\_ Willful endangerment of mother? Drugging without consent?
Perhaps there's a stringent reading of date-rape drug laws that
would suffice. -!op
\_ So you think forcing an abortion on someone is only worth a
minor drug charge? If someone did that to your wife would
you be ok with the 6 months probation your list would get
someone?
\_ Assault and battery? Malicious poisoning? I see what you
mean, and I'm trying to get at a suitable charge that
matches the egregious nature of the crime against the
mother without having to assign citizens' rights to the
unborn.
\_ Do you think a&b on a woman should yield the same
charges/punishment as a&b on a woman that leads to
her unborn miscarrying? Does the pregnancy have no
value?
\_ I believe the pregnancy has value _to the mother_
and should therefore be taken into consideration.
I don't think the pregnancy has an innate value
apart from to the mother, and the fetus itself has
no rights apart from those granted it by the mother
(and, in a cold, legal sense, the value it has to
the mother).
\_ Ok the pregnancy has value to the mother. I don't
see where you're going with that. Again: when you
are responsible for killing a woman's unborn child
what should the right punishment be? And
seriously, I'd check with a woman before trying to
claim "the pregnancy has no innate value apart
from the mother".
\_ You misread: I said "the pregnancy has no
innate value apart from _to_ the mother."
The right punishment depends on whether
killing the woman's unborn child is a crime.
If she asks you to do so, then no. In this
case, yes. As such, the punishment should
reflect the loss to the mother.
\_ I didn't misread at all. I quoted exactly
what you said and kept the context. Now
then, of course killing her unborn child is
a crime, don't be daft. It wasn't a legal
abortion, it was killed. The only question
is what is the correct punishment. So far
the motd has offered a $50 fine, 6 months
probation and banned from practicing
medicine in that state. whoop-de-doo. Go
ask your wife/gf what the punishment should
be and get back to me.
\_ 1) You didn't quote me exactly: you
missed the "to." 2) I've already agreed
with you that it's a crime in this case.
\_ All this stuff is a side show. What
penalty is appropriate? So far the
motd says $50 and 6 months probation.
\_ Before I do so, I want you to
explicitly state that you won't
turn any punishment proposed into
into a "Well, if for this, why
not the same for abortion?"
nonsense spiel.
\_ One thing I find suspicious is that most
arguments for abortion vanish with sufficient
technology. This means that either you should
believe morality changes with technology or you
should believe abortions are wrong. -- ilyas
\_ or it means ilyas is an idiot
\_ How about "practising medicine without a license"? I heard even
a good samaritan without a CPR license applying CPR to save
someone's life can be charged with this. -- !OP
\_ Oh yeah right, so that'll get him what? 3 months probation
and a $50 fine and he won't be allowed to practive medicine
in that state again? Again, if this was your wife who got
her child force aborted, what charges would you think were
sufficient and would your wife agree?
\_ Practicing medicine without a license is a serious felony,
with a one year prison sentence as possible punishment.
ObGetAClue
\_ Yes and the odds of 1 year for a first offense is about
zero. So now you think 1 year is enough for killing
her unborn child? Is that a good punishment to you?
\_ Your claim was that the punishment was a $50 fine.
Your claim is BS, as I have demonstrated. I think
that is about the right punishment for the crime of
"practicing medicine without a license." I don't
really know what the penalty is for poisoning someone
such that they had an involuntary abortion, but
it should probably be a bit higher than that.
\_ Not sure about that one, but the California Court of Appeal,
Second Appellate District, Division 3 did reverse a Good
Samaritan case where a GS moved an accident victim and may
have caused paralysis: http://csua.org/u/k4x (About.com)
\_ Gee. Was it the crash victim or the family who sued the
GS rescuer? |
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