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2007/11/21-27 [Recreation/Travel/LasVegas, Reference/Military] UID:48673 Activity:low
11/21   General Custard at the Last Stand were defeated by Indians
        who had ~200 rifles. How the hell did the injuns get their hands
        on the rifles?
        \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn
           "...some of the Indians were armed with repeating Spencer,
            Winchester rifles and Henry rifles, while the 7th Cavalry
            carried single-shot Springfield Model 1873 carbines, caliber
            .45-70.[21] These rifles had a slower rate of fire than the
            aforementioned repeating rifles and tended to jam when
            overheated... rendering them useless in combat
            except as a club."
           Well, there ya go. Cheap rifles, probably made in CHINA, could
           have contributed to Custer's demise.
        \_ time traveling America hating liberals
           \_ nice.
              \_ I thought it was pretty good too.  Thanks.
        \_ Is this a troll?  They bought and traded for them, duh.
           \_ how many trinkets do they need to trade for a rifle?
              \_ Now THAT's a troll.
           \_ No it is NOT a troll. I'm watching the History Channel now.
              I'm not getting laid.                     -no laid guy #3
              \_ Don't you have a day job?  Or maybe you have the day
                 off.
                 \_ I took the day off. I'm too depressed from not getting
                    laid. Please have some pity for me. BTW I find it
                    \_ Why are you not getting laid again?  I've forgot.
                       And what're you doing about it?
                    hilarious that they dug up all the remains of the
                    soldiers and had forensic artists mold the facial
                    bones so that we'd remember them, as well as putting
                    up nice tombstones at the hill... and they made
                    NO efforts to do the same for the Indians.
                    \_ Why are you not getting laid again?  I've forgot.
                       And what're you doing about it?
                       \_ I watch the History of Sex on the History Channel
                    \_ In 1878 the army awarded 24 Medals of Honor for
                       the Last Stand. Good job.
                    \_ Which "they" did the digging and facial molds?
                       \_ The state of Montana employees. Go figure.
                    \_ Maybe they didn't want to be disrespectful of the indian
                       remains?
              \_ The battle of Little Bighorn was in 1876!  Of course they
                 had rifles!
                 \_ The op indicates that the Indians somehow got their
                    hands on rifles
        \_ why does it even matter?  Many of the rifles of the time were less
            effective weapons than the indians skilled use of bows&arrows.
                    \_ Nah, really?
                       \_ I hear those Injuns have indoor plumbing these days.
                          \_ Ever been on a reservation?
                             \_ Yes, I swam in the pool at the hotel/casino and
                                my room had a jacuzzi tub with an LCD TV
                                mounted above it.
                                \_ Then the answer is no.  You haven't.  You
                                   think the average NA lives like that?  How
                                   about the ones who don't have casinos, which
                                   is most of them?  Next you'll be telling us
                                   how you met Bill Cosby so you think blacks
                                   in this country are all multi millionaires.
                                   \_ No, the answer is yes. I have. Simple
                                      question: "Have you been?". Simple
                                      answer: "Yes!" You cannot say "Oh,
                                      but you chose the wrong one! Pick again!"
                                      \_ Idiot.  The casino is not the
                                         reservation.  The answer is "no".  You
                                         have never been in a res house or met
                                         someone who does.  The casino part is
                                         no different than going to Vegas.
                                         That you would try to say you've been
                                         to a res when you've only been to the
                                         casino which is all dolled up for
                                         dumb white folks makes it really clear
                                         you have no clue.
                                         \_ Um, yes. The casino is on the
                                            reservation and you don't know
                                            anything about me. I have a
                                            friend who taught for many
                                            years on a reservation in
                                            Arizona and still lives on the
                                            reservation. Oh, but they
                                            don't have indoor plumbing. I
                                            forgot. You're the dumb one
                                            for thinking all tribes live
                                            in squalor and don't have
                                            indoor plumbing. Nice stereotype.
                                            \_ I see a few days off hasn't
                                               improved the motd average IQ.
                                               What will it take for you to
                                               figure out the average NA, even
                                               those with successful casinos,
                                               is not living the same life as
                                               the white folks staying at the
                                               casino hotel?  I love when
                                               racists use the "I have a xyz
                                               friend" line.
                                         \_ Ha ha.  You're an idiot.
                                            Equivelent conversation:
                                            Q. Have you ever been to Nevada?
                                            A. Yeah, I stayed at a hotel on the
                                               strip once.
                                            Q. Idiot! The answer is no then,
                                               isn't it?  You think all of
                                               Nevada is like Las Vegas?
                                               \_ Look, the peanut gallery
                                                  has put in 2 cents.  Stupid,
                                                  ignorant, and wrong, but at
                                                  least you made it!
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James Calhoun /- Strength Believed to be 949 lodges (probably 900 - 1,800 warriors) 31 officers, 566 troopers, 15 armed civilians, 35-40 scouts Casualties Believed to be at least 36 killed, 168 wounded (according to Sitting Bull); Surprised and, according to some accounts, astonished by the unusually large numbers of Indians faced in the battle, Crook was forced to stop and regroup. Unaware of Crook's battle, Gibbon and Terry proceeded, joining forces in late June near the mouth of the Rosebud River. June 25, Custer's scouts reported to him they could see signs of the Indian village roughly 15 miles in the distance. Custer's initial plan was a surprise attack on the village the following morning on June 26, but a report came to him that several hostile Indians had discovered the trail left by his troops. Assuming their presence had been exposed, Custer decided to attack the village without further delay. Mitch Bouyer saying, "General, I have been with these Indians for 30 years, and this is the largest village I have ever heard of." Custer's overriding concern was that the Indians would break up and scatter in different directions. Fort Abraham Lincoln to reassemble the regiment for the campaign. Approximately 20 percent of the troopers had been enlisted in the prior seven months (139 of an enlisted roll of 718), were only marginally trained, and had no combat or frontier experience. Prussia, just as many of the veteran troopers had been prior to their enlistments. Archaeological evidence also suggests that many of these troopers were malnourished and in poor physical condition. Of the 44 officers and 718 troopers then assigned to the 7th Cavalry (including a second lieutenant detached from the 20th Infantry and serving in L Troop), 13 officers (including the regimental commander, Col. Samuel D Sturgis, who was on detached duty) and 152 troopers did not accompany the 7th during the campaign. Among those left behind at Fort Abraham Lincoln was the regimental band. Frederick Benteen, and was made up of Troops D, H and K, with five officers and 110 men. Custer ordered Benteen to scout nearby valleys and attack any body of Indians he encountered. Benteen himself described his mission to his wife in a letter days after the action, "General Custer divided the 7th Cavalry into three Battalions -- about 15 miles from an Indian village, the whereabout of which he did not know exactly. Thomas McDougall, this sizable force had two officers, 127 troopers and seven civilian packers. Each of the first three detachments was to seek out the Indian encampments, attack them, and hold them in place until the other two detachments arrived to support. 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Benteen's coincidental arrival on the bluffs was just in time to save Reno's men from possible annihilation. Their detachments were then reinforced by McDougall and the pack train. rifle pits using whatever implements they had among them, including knives. Despite hearing heavy gunfire from the north, including distinct volleys at 4:20 pm, Benteen concentrated on reinforcing Reno's badly wounded and hard-pressed battalion, rather than continuing on toward Custer. Benteen's apparent reluctance to reach Custer prompted later criticism that he had failed to follow orders. Thomas Weir and Company D moved out against orders to make contact with Custer. They advanced a mile, to what is today Weir Ridge, and could see in the distance Indian warriors on horseback shooting at objects on the ground. By this time, roughly 5:25 pm, Custer's battle had concluded, and what Weir witnessed was most likely warriors shooting at dead bodies on the Custer battlefield. The other companies eventually followed by assigned battalions, first Benteen, then Reno, and finally the pack train. Growing Indian attacks around Weir Ridge forced all seven companies to return to the bluff before the pack train, with the ammunition, had moved even a quarter mile. There, they remained pinned down for another day, but the Indians were unable to breach this tightly held position. edit Custer's fight Interpretations of Custer's fight are conjecture, since none of his men survived and Indian accounts are conflicting. The gunfire heard on the bluffs by Reno and Benteen's men was from Custer's fight. His force of roughly 210 men was engaged by the Lakota and Northern Cheyenne approximately 35 miles (6 km) to the north. Having isolated Reno's force and driven them away from the encampment, the bulk of the warriors were free to pursue Custer. The route taken by Custer to his "Last Stand" remains a subject of debate. 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