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2007/11/15-18 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:48643 Activity:high
11/15   So newly minted RON PAUL fans, this is a link from Daily Kos
        about some of his extreme positions, he gets a few points from
        me for not spouting the usual drivel and having an honest
        straight forward persona and not being double gitmo pro
        torture, but I really can't vote for the dude:
        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
        \_ I could, knowing full well that no matter what my vote is,
           California will go overwhelmingly for whomever the democratic
           candidate is.   So the electoral votes will swing that way, I can
           vote for Ron with a clean conscience that my 'share' of the
           electoral votes will still go to the D's.
           -California voter
        torture, but I really can't vote for the dude:
        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740
        \_ I could, knowing full well that no matter what my vote is,
           California will go overwhelmingly for whomever the democratic
           candidate is.   So the electoral votes will swing that way, I can
           vote for Ron with a clean conscience that my 'share' of the
           electoral votes will still go to the D's.
           -California voter
           \_ Yes, California. The state that gave the world Nixon,
              Reagan, and - to some extent - Ford which has a Republican
              governor and who elected Pete Wilson to the position.
              \_ while the state does have some record of occasionally
                 electing republicans, I think for the forseeable future
                 they are solidly democratic.
                 \_ Ed Meese, George Deukmejian. These are not just some
                    random Repubs, but they were very powerful Repubs.
                    I agree that D seems to predominate at the moment, but
                    to say that CA "occasionally" elects Repubs is
                    deceiving. Since 1900 CA has had 15 R govs and 4 D govs.
                                             \- and 1stripper: Earl Warren.
                    The State is changing as the demographics change, but
                    even now 3 of the last 4 were R.
                    \_ seriously, come on now, do you think *any* of the R
                       candidates have the slightest prayer of taking CA's
                       electoral vote?  It would take something bizarre like
                       one of the D candidates taking all of them out in a
                       freak murder-suicide in a primary debate.
                       \_ Who knows? Lately, the R's have been conceding
                          CA and it's worked. If they campaigned here
                          instead of just hitting OC up for $$$ then maybe
                          they'd have a better chance. CA elected *Pete
                          Wilson*.
                          \_ I didn't leave the Republican Party, the
                             Republican Party left me. The GOP is entirely
                             dominated by religious fanatics who care more
                             about punishing other people for their bad
                             behavior than the old Reagan ideal of small
                             government. If the GOP nominated another western
                             libertarian, then they could compete in CA again.
                             But they won't (do they even have one running?).
                            \_ Duncan Hunter is from CA. He gets no press
                               seemingly. Calling Reagan a libertarian? I scoff
                               mightily at that. Mightily indeed. Did Reagan
                               even reduce the size of gov't? He might have
                               cut some taxes, but it's spending that
                               determines the size. Reagan and Bush spent like
                               crazy. GOP isn't "entirely" dominated by
                               fundies. They are just a large group that GOP
                               needs to pay lip service to.
        \_ If DailyKos is opposed, then Ron Paul is certainly worth considering
           as a serious candidate.
        \_ This article means nothing to me. "A vicious, comptemptible racist".
        \_ This article means nothing to me. "A vicious, contemptible racist".
           It's self-evidently horseshit.
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phenry Tue May 15, 2007 at 06:57:29 PM PST As tonight's Republican presidential debate winds down, I expect to see the diaries humming with praise for Texas Rep. Ron Paul, whose forceful, eloquent anti-war rhetoric sticks out like a sore thumb from the undifferentiated conservative yammerings of the other candidates. Before any other well-meaning liberals decide that we and Ron Paul were made for each other, I think it's important that we dig a bit deeper and learn more about exactly who, and what, he is: a vicious, contemptible racist who comforts the radical right wing like no presidential candidate since David Duke. We need jump to no conclusion to arrive at this judgment. Ron Paul Hates You After his 1979-85 service in Congress as a Republican and his 1988 campaign for the presidency as the nominee of the Libertarian Party, Ron Paul returned home to Surfside, Texas and devoted himself to a variety of pursuits, one of which was his self-published newsletter, The Ron Paul Political Report. Founded in 1985, the eight-page newsletter featured Paul's extreme libertarian perspective on a number of different issues, notably crackpot theories about the Federal Reserve and the money system and a tireless advocacy of a return to the gold standard--a longtime Ron Paul hobby horse. Indeed, Paul changed the name of the newsletter to the Ron Paul Survival Report around 1993 in what we may presume to be an effort to tap into the survivalist sentiments then peaking among the radical right wing. It is extremely difficult to track down content from the Ron Political/Survival Report today. The Report only had about 7,000 subscribers, and Paul has--unsurprisingly--refused to release copies to the media. Lexis/Nexis is of no help, as the obscure publication largely escaped the notice of major media publications during Paul's hiatus from electoral politics. These few fragments of a much larger body of work--almost all of which have been preserved by Paul's supporters, not his opponents--give us an illuminating and frightening look into his demented, racist worldview. The only complete article from the Ron Paul Political Report on the Internet that I am aware of is a 1992 piece titled "LOS ANGELES RACIAL TERRORISM," on the subject of the so-called Rodney King riots in South Central Los Angeles in 1991. Some relevant passages from the article (emphasis mine): Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable. Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, ie support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal. If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? 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She is the archetypical half-educated victimologist, yet her race and sex protect her from criticism. Years later, in an interview printed in the October 2001 issue of Texas Monthly, Paul changed his story about these and other racist comments: "I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me," he said. Unfortunately, this explanation doesn't really withstand scrutiny. The Ron Paul Political Report was an eight-page newsletter, not a 200-page magazine; whether he employed other writers or not, it beggars belief that Paul would not have had full control and approval over its contents. Moreover, the LA riots article does in fact bear some evidence of having been written by Paul, at least in part. I understand how important, how visceral, opposition to the war is for a lot of people. 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