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| 2007/10/15-19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:48318 Activity:kinda low |
10/15 Gotta love it when liars (CAIR) are exposed:
http://csua.org/u/jqe
\_ Links to Little Green Footballs, promoting paranoia and anti-
Islamic sentiment so you don't have to.
\_ The link has a scan of a check to CAIR, and quoting a statement
from CAIR denying it. Do you claim that they're faking it?
\_ No, I object to you posting partisan links without posting
the full URL or, barring that, identifying the source. I'm not
saying that no one should read Freeper or LGF or WashTimes or
Townhall, I'm just saying that you should give people an
opportunity to know what the source is before they click the
link. I'd do it before I sent you to Media Matters or MoveOn
or even the New York Times.
\_ I only shortened to the link because it was over 80
columns. It's not a porn site.
\_ Don't be disingenuous. It takes less than four
seconds to write a useful descriptive comment. -dans,!PP
\_ So anyway, is Cair lying or not? -someone else
\_ So anyway, is op being disingenuous or not?
\_ I neither know nor care. Were you failing to
make a point or just following in the OP's proud
disingenuous footsteps? -dans
\_ Funny. I see it the exact opposite way. I
don't care if the OP is disingenous or not
because it doesn't matter. It matters a lot
more when a monied lobbying group lies. That
is what I care about. They either did or did
not. Which is it? -!op
\_ Dunno about dans, but for me the issue isn't
the pristine integrity of the org, rather
the good that they do.
\_ My thinking tends to be similar, though
for different reasons. My working
assumption is that virtually all
politicians and/or political
organizations are, to some extent,
dirty or corrupt. Want to take CAIR to
task? More power to you, but don't
discriminate. Take every dirty
organization/politician, regardless of
political ideology, to task. -dans
\_ I'm opposed to all dirty orgs. The
op posted a link about this particular
one so that is the topic. Did they or
did they not lie? And as far as the
'good' that CAIR does, I'd be most
impressed to see a list of their
positive accomplishments for this
country. Given their foreign cash
sources, past statements, and ties
to anti-American foreign orgs I don't
think the plus column for CAIR is
very long.
\_ If you're opposed to all dirty
orgs, who do you like, then?
\_ Pet rescue. Money for children
of vets killed/injured in war
to go to college. Children's
reading book donation programs.
A few others. CAIR doesn't
make the list of 'good' orgs by
any measure. There are *no*
good political orgs I'm aware
of. I'm surprised you couldn't
think of a clean non-profit org.
\_ The Catholic Church
\_ Mother Teresa: corrupt,
malignant dwarf. -Hitchens
\_ Re: The Holocaust: oops.
But, no, really the Pope has
a direct line to God who is
infallible.
Re: Widespread sexual abuse
of children at the hands of
priests: Oops. We'll just
sweep this under the rug
because it would really suck
if people sued us. -dans |
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| csua.org/u/jqe -> littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27510_CAIR_Director_Caught_in_a_Blatant_Lie&only denied ever receiving money from the Hamas-linked Holy Land Foundation, and accused terrorism expert Steven Emerson of lying: "This is an outright lie," Awad said. "Our organization did not receive any seed money from HLFRD. CAIR raises its own funds and we challenge Mr Emerson to provide even a shred of evidence to support his ridiculous claim." interviewed on CBS' 60 Minutes: November 13, 1994: During an interview with CBS's 60 Minutes, Nihad Awad was asked about anti-Semitic materials distributed by the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) with which he was associated and about Hamas: WALLACE: (Voiceover) We asked him about the IAP pamphlets denigrating Jews. Mr AWAD: I asked them to remove that from the shelf, and I asked them to clean all these things because it does only damage to the organization and to the cause of the Palestinians - and to the Muslims in general. WALLACE: What do you think of the military undertakings of Hamas? Mr AWAD: Well, I think that's--that's for people to judge there. Mr AWAD: The United Nations Charter grants people who are under occupation to defend themselves against illegal occupation. In memory of the fearless Italian writer Oriana Fallaci frank says: I think "when" is a very important thing, but "what the f*ck!" "What the f*ck" really makes it easier to deal with it when you understand the "when". |